Originally posted by callat703:I think I've been pretty clear on this point. If th candidates are Obama and McCain, I would vote McCain if the election was at all in doubt. If McCain was up 10 in the polls, I'd write in Hillary.
So Julian, are you going to vote for John McCain come the general election?
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Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:I don't want to make this about you, but you have been open about talking your voting preferences and I'm working on a few new ideas. Ignore this post if you don't want to answer.
Originally posted by callat703:I think I've been pretty clear on this point. If th candidates are Obama and McCain, I would vote McCain if the election was at all in doubt. If McCain was up 10 in the polls, I'd write in Hillary.
So Julian, are you going to vote for John McCain come the general election?
Does the above hold true if Hillary is Obama's VP?
Originally posted by vansmack:will never happen
Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:I don't want to make this about you, but you have been open about talking your voting preferences and I'm working on a few new ideas. Ignore this post if you don't want to answer.
Originally posted by callat703:I think I've been pretty clear on this point. If th candidates are Obama and McCain, I would vote McCain if the election was at all in doubt. If McCain was up 10 in the polls, I'd write in Hillary.
So Julian, are you going to vote for John McCain come the general election?
Does the above hold true if Hillary is Obama's VP?
Originally posted by vansmack:It would at least give me pause to consider voting for Obama. I don't want to be crass, but the very real reality is if an African-American is elected President, the odds are over-whelming of an assassination attempt. So, not to be funny, I do like the thought of Hillary being one lone KKK member away from the Presidency. But ultimately, I still think Obama would shit the place so badly that I wouldn't want to be responsible for putting him in office, so I'd probably still go McCain.
Does the above hold true if Hillary is Obama's VP?
That said, I don't see Hillary going for the VP slot. She might, but I'd be suprised.
Thanks.
Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:That's not crass, that's just asinine.
I don't want to be crass, but the very real reality is if an African-American is elected President, the odds are over-whelming of an assassination attempt.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:Yes, it is asinine.
Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:That's not crass, that's just asinine.
I don't want to be crass, but the very real reality is if an African-American is elected President, the odds are over-whelming of an assassination attempt.
I still haven't heard how you justify voting for McCain over Obama. I'd be very curious to hear the reasons, as this would imply that you didn't support Clinton's platform, but rather, her personality.
I'm shocked we haven't seen an assassination attempt since when, Reagan?
Maybe he prefers his candidates like he prefers his women…loads of wrinkles and years and years of experience.
Originally posted by callat703:
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:Yes, it is asinine.
Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:That's not crass, that's just asinine.
I don't want to be crass, but the very real reality is if an African-American is elected President, the odds are over-whelming of an assassination attempt.
I still haven't heard how you justify voting for McCain over Obama. I'd be very curious to hear the reasons, as this would imply that you didn't support Clinton's platform, but rather, her personality.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:The acknowledgment that a small, fringe group of racists would be so upset with a racial minority president that they'd attempt an assassination is asinine? Statistically, Presidents are murdered at an unprecedented rate; you throw the racist factor in there, it has to be an even greater possibility.
Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:That's not crass, that's just asinine.
I don't want to be crass, but the very real reality is if an African-American is elected President, the odds are over-whelming of an assassination attempt.
I am not, just to be clear, condoning or encouraging an assassination plot against Obama.
Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:calling secret service now..
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:The acknowledgment that a small, fringe group of racists would be so upset with a racial minority president that they'd attempt an assassination is asinine? Statistically, Presidents are murdered at an unprecedented rate; you throw the racist factor in there, it has to be an even greater possibility.
Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:That's not crass, that's just asinine.
I don't want to be crass, but the very real reality is if an African-American is elected President, the odds are over-whelming of an assassination attempt.
I am not, just to be clear, condoning or encouraging an assassination plot against Obama.
I still haven't heard how you justify voting for McCain over Obama. I'd be very curious to hear the reasons, as this would imply that you didn't support Clinton's platform, but rather, her personality.Cough, cough.
Originally posted by callat703:First, you admitted less then a week ago that Obama supporters supported Obama instead of his platform and that was why a sizable percentage of them wouldn't vote if Hillary was the nominee. So back your black pot up there, kettle.
I still haven't heard how you justify voting for McCain over Obama. I'd be very curious to hear the reasons, as this would imply that you didn't support Clinton's platform, but rather, her personality.Cough, cough.
My reason for voting McCain is sort of like gangrene. When gangrene used to get in a leg, you had two choices: lose the leg, or die. When a candidate as terrible, unequipped, and elitistly divisive as Obama comes along you have two choices: lose an election or start the death of the Democratic Party. The damage that would be done if Democrats follow up the 8 years of George Bush with a guy who has zero experience, has proven unable to build consensus among voters who aren't under 30 or black, and has no realistic plan to bring about his "chicken in every pot" ridiculousness would cripple the Democratic Party. I can't see middle America ever giving the Democrats another chance again. Why would we deserve it?
McCain is not terrible, either. Sure, he wants us to go to war for 100 years, but who does that really effect other then dumbasses who join the military. I can assure you, the Iraq War, as terrible and unjust as it is, hasn't affected my day-to-day life. Let McCain slash taxes, keep idiots out of the US and in the Middle East for 4 years, and be his usual self on social issues. It's better then Obama shitting on the carpet and dragging his ass along the floor.
Aren't you yourself an elitist in calling people who join the military "dumbasses"?
Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:I think you meant to say 60. He's been dominating many factors of the middle aged, especially among educated middle agers.
has proven unable to build consensus among voters who aren't under 30
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:How do you figure?
Aren't you yourself an elitist in calling people who join the military "dumbasses"?
People who sign up for the military are often the same people who Obama disparaged. If he's an elitist, you are as well.
Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:How do you figure?
Aren't you yourself an elitist in calling people who join the military "dumbasses"?
I think we've found the fundamental problem here. If Julian can't figure out how painting an entire subset of our population as "dumbasses" is elitist, then most of these arguments seems pretty moot to me.
Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:How do you figure?
Aren't you yourself an elitist in calling people who join the military "dumbasses"?
Originally posted by nkotb:Do you consider people with IQs below 80 to be mentally retarded? If so, you're an "elitist," then. I mean, some people are what you say they are. There's a difference between claiming you are better then someone else and ignoring middle-America because they're bitter. :roll:
I think we've found the fundamental problem here. If Julian can't figure out how painting an entire subset of our population as "dumbasses" is elitist, then most of these arguments seems pretty moot to me.
Originally posted by Julian, certified WEBLEBRITY:I'm not saying that Obama supporters wouldn't leave the party. In fact, I said very definitely that they would. I didn't defend that. I personally would vote for Clinton before McCain. So back up yourself. I'm calling you out for abandoning the platform your candidate believes in, as I would any person who abandoned the platform if Obama had lost.
Originally posted by callat703:First, you admitted less then a week ago that Obama supporters supported Obama instead of his platform and that was why a sizable percentage of them wouldn't vote if Hillary was the nominee. So back your black pot up there, kettle.
I still haven't heard how you justify voting for McCain over Obama. I'd be very curious to hear the reasons, as this would imply that you didn't support Clinton's platform, but rather, her personality.Cough, cough.
My reason for voting McCain is sort of like gangrene. When gangrene used to get in a leg, you had two choices: lose the leg, or die. When a candidate as terrible, unequipped, and elitistly divisive as Obama comes along you have two choices: lose an election or start the death of the Democratic Party. The damage that would be done if Democrats follow up the 8 years of George Bush with a guy who has zero experience, has proven unable to build consensus among voters who aren't under 30 or black, and has no realistic plan to bring about his "chicken in every pot" ridiculousness would cripple the Democratic Party. I can't see middle America ever giving the Democrats another chance again. Why would we deserve it?
McCain is not terrible, either. Sure, he wants us to go to war for 100 years, but who does that really effect other then dumbasses who join the military. I can assure you, the Iraq War, as terrible and unjust as it is, hasn't affected my day-to-day life. Let McCain slash taxes, keep idiots out of the US and in the Middle East for 4 years, and be his usual self on social issues. It's better then Obama shitting on the carpet and dragging his ass along the floor.
And your response clearly illustrated to me that you really are clueless when it comes to this election. That was just appalling - not only because your critique of Obama isn't grounded in any kind of factual statement, but the absolutely ridiculous belief that the Iraq war has no effect on your life (not to mention your complete and utter disregard for any member of the military). Amazing.