Vinyl isn't dead yet...

Another recently published article on this topic:

Vinyl May Be Final Nail in CD's Coffin
By Eliot Van Buskirk
10.29.07 | 12:00 AM

As counterintuitive as it may seem in this age of iPods and digital downloads, vinyl – the favorite physical format of indie music collectors and audiophiles
– is poised to re-enter the mainstream, or at least become a major tributary.

Talk to almost anyone in the music business' vital indie and DJ scenes and you'll encounter a uniformly optimistic picture of the vinyl market.

"I'm hearing from labels and distributors that vinyl is way up," said Ian Connelly, client relations manager of independent distributor alliance IODA, in
an e-mail interview. "And not just the boutique, limited-edition colored vinyl that
Jesu/
Isis-
style fans are hot for right now."

Pressing plants are ramping up production, but where is the demand coming from? Why do so many people still love vinyl, even though its bulky, analog nature
is anathema to everything music is supposed to be these days? Records, the vinyl evangelists will tell you, provide more of a connection between fans and
artists. And many of today's music fans buy 180-gram vinyl LPs for home listening and MP3s for their portable devices.

"For many of us, and certainly for many of our artists, the vinyl is the true version of the release," said Matador's Patrick Amory. "The size and presence
of the artwork, the division into sides, the better sound quality, above all the involvement and work the listener has to put in, all make it the format
of choice for people who really care about music."

Because these music fans also listen using portable players and computers, Matador and other labels include coupons in record packaging that can be used
to download MP3 versions of the songs. Amory called the coupon program "hugely popular."

Portability is no longer any reason to stick with CDs, and neither is audio quality. Although
vinyl purists are ripe for parody,
they're right about one thing: Records can sound better than CDs.

Although CDs have a wider dynamic range, mastering houses are often encouraged to compress the audio on CDs to make it as loud as possible: It's the so-called
loudness war.
Since the audio on vinyl can't be compressed to such extremes, records generally offer a more nuanced sound.

Another reason for vinyl's sonic superiority is that no matter how high a sampling rate is, it can never contain all of the data present in an analog groove,
Nyquist's theorem
to the contrary.

"The digital world will never get there," said Chris Ashworth, owner of United Record Pressing, the country's largest record pressing plant.

Golden-eared audiophiles have long testified to vinyl's warmer, richer sound. And now demand for vinyl is on the rise. Pressing plants that were already
at capacity are staying there, while others are cranking out more records than they did last year in order to keep pace with demand.

Don MacInnis, owner of Record Technology in Camarillo, California, predicts production will be up 25 percent over last year by the end of 2007. And he's
not talking about small runs of dance music for DJs, but the whole gamut of music: "new albums, reissues, majors and indies … jazz, blues, classical,
pop and a lot of (classic) rock."

Turntables are hot again as well.
Insound,
an online music retailer that recently began selling USB turntables alongside vinyl, can't keep them in stock, according to the company's director, Patrick
McNamara.

And on Oct. 17, Amazon.com launched a
vinyl-only section
stocked with a growing collection of titles and several models of record players.

Big labels still aren't buying the vinyl comeback, but it wouldn't be the first time the industry failed to identify a new trend in the music biz.

"Our numbers, at least, don't really point to a resurgence," said Jonathan Lamy, the Recording Industry Association of America's director of communications.
Likewise, Nielsen SoundScan, which registered a slight increase in vinyl sales last year, nonetheless showed a 43 percent decrease between 2000 and 2006.

But when it comes to vinyl, these organizations don't really know what they're talking about. The RIAA's numbers are misleading because its member labels
are only now beginning to react to the growing demand for vinyl. As for SoundScan, its numbers don't include many of the small indie and dance shops where
records are sold. More importantly, neither organization tracks used records sold at stores or on eBay – arguably the central clearinghouse for vinyl
worldwide.

Vinyl's popularity has been underreported before.

"The Consumer Electronics Association said that only 100,000 turntables were sold in 2004. Numark alone sold more than that to pro DJs that year," said
Chris Roman, product manager for Numark.

And the vinyl-MP3 tag team might just hasten the
long-predicted death of the CD.

San Francisco indie band
The Society of Rockets,
for example, plans to release its next album strictly on vinyl and as MP3 files.

"Having just gone through the process of mastering our new album for digital and for vinyl, I can say it is completely amazing how different they really
sound," said lead singer and guitarist Joshua Babcock in an e-mail interview. "The way the vinyl is so much better and warmer and more interesting to listen
to is a wonder."

http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/commentary/listeningpost/2007/10/listeningpost_1029
Originally posted by azaghal1981:

As counterintuitive as it may seem in this age of iPods and digital downloads, vinyl – the favorite physical format of indie music collectors and audiophiles
– is poised to re-enter the mainstream, or at least become a major tributary.
Vinyl may be more popular recently, but this is a bit much. I read somewhere (Coolfer maybe?) that vinyl accounts for a miniscule perentage of music sales. Like a fraction of a percent. That's a far cry from "major tributary".

Because these music fans also listen using portable players and computers, Matador and other labels include coupons in record packaging that can be used
to download MP3 versions of the songs.


They really need to push this more. I wasn't even aware of this until it was brought up on this board recently. Portability is the only reason why I don't buy many LPs. I'd pay a couple bucks more for a vinyl+mp3 package.
Vinyl isn't dead yet, but Heath Ledger is. Who would have guessed that?
That's THE key – if more record labels begin to offer the entire LP as a free Mp3 download bundled into the price (ala Merge) sales would flourish – which would keep both my turntable and iPod quite happy. (What's a CD?)
I just received Georgie James' CD and the Robyn Hitchcock CD box "I Wanna Go Backwards." The Georgie James disc contains MP3s of other Saddle Creek artists. The Hitchcock box contains a coupon for additional Yep Roc downloads.
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Vinyl isn't dead yet, but Heath Ledger is. Who would have guessed that?
Too soon, man, too soon. My sister is still beside herself.
Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Vinyl isn't dead yet, but Heath Ledger is. Who would have guessed that?
Too soon, man, too soon. My sister is still beside herself.
You busted on Casey Calvert's shitty band sooner (not that it wasn't justified). ;)
vinyl will be dead when orpheus closes and the owner has to get a real job.
Originally posted by azaghal1981:
You busted on Casey Calvert's shitty band sooner (not that it wasn't justified). ;)
You know what? You're completely right – I am being hypocritical. Queue up the dead Heath Ledger jokes.
Better beside herself than beside Heath.

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
Vinyl isn't dead yet, but Heath Ledger is. Who would have guessed that?
Too soon, man, too soon. My sister is still beside herself.
Originally posted by azaghal1981:
Portability is no longer any reason to stick with CDs, and neither is audio quality. Although
vinyl purists are ripe for parody, they're right about one thing: Records can sound better than CDs.

Although CDs have a wider dynamic range, mastering houses are often encouraged to compress the audio on CDs to make it as loud as possible: It's the so-called loudness war. Since the audio on vinyl can't be compressed to such extremes, records generally offer a more nuanced sound.

Another reason for vinyl's sonic superiority is that no matter how high a sampling rate is, it can never contain all of the data present in an analog groove, Nyquist's theorem to the contrary.

"The digital world will never get there," said Chris Ashworth, owner of United Record Pressing, the country's largest record pressing plant.

Golden-eared audiophiles have long testified to vinyl's warmer, richer sound.
from an audiophile perspective, i wish there was a mid-way point between CDs and vinyl. the dynamic range on CDs does suck all too often, the fact that it's done on purpose is a crime against humanity. vinyl's fidelity b/c of analog is *theoretically* better, but at an unacceptable cost IMO: scratches, pops, wobble, flutter, etc.

CDs are closer to what the artists, engineers, producers, etc hear upon final mixdown. it's the shitty mastering that gets in the way. in the studio, people don't rush out and press a vinyl copy to see how it sounds, and adjust the mix accordingly… and that "warmer, richer" sound is a slight analog distortion. it's pleasing to the ear, but it's not a 100% faithful reproduction of the original recording. but pleasing is all that counts :)

the best option would be to get a copy of the master on a DAT (anybody remember those?) @ 96k/24 bit, but that's not economically viable. dang.
Originally posted by jm1:
More on the Orpheus closing:

http://vinyldistrict.blogspot.com/
has anyone been to orpheus recently? pretty picked-over already?
CD Cellar in Clarendon is also being evicted - at a yet to be determined date. Nowhere near as good as Orpheus for vinyl, but their selection has been steadily improving (at least at the Clarendon store).
made a pilgrimage to orpheus today … a lot of the big stuff (smiths, replacements, new order, etc) is totally gone, but i found some gems:

simon & garfunkel: parsley sage, live @ central park
simon: s/t
the who: who are you
xtc: drums and wires
kraftwerk: trans-europe
matthew sweet: 100% fun
REM: fables, document
stones: some girls, get yer ya yas
rundgren: something/anything
lone justice s/t
randy newman: sail away
byrds: greatest hits
kate bush: hounds of love
edie brickell: shooting rubber bands
elton john: honky chateau
echo: ocean rain
dukes of stratosphear: psonic
creedence: cosmo's
costello: get happy, imperial bedroom
chilton: document
cheap trick: budokan

great deals, too
dude thats were all those stolen records of mine ended up :D
Anything left? I may go this weekend if I can pull myself off the couch. Stupid cold.

Originally posted by Hoya Paranoia:
made a pilgrimage to orpheus today … a lot of the big stuff (smiths, replacements, new order, etc) is totally gone, but i found some gems:

great deals, too
Originally posted by nkotb:
Anything left? I may go this weekend if I can pull myself off the couch. Stupid cold.
like i said, a lot of it is picked over and you're not going to find a lot of "big" names, but i still managed to find a bunch of albums that i really wanted … the guy said that he's still re-stocking and buying used records, so there should be more out there
Mod Kosmo's Detroit home:





House of records at The Heidelberg Project in Detroit.
Cool thread, those were some good times.
Orpheus was a fun way to spend a lazy Sunday afternoon.
Cd Cellar, Earl's (next door) and Whole Foods are pretty much my only stops in Clarendon these days.
Remember 'keep clarendon weird'?
Wait a minute - EL POLLO RICO and that Vietnamese place way up the hill to the right - amazing grilled pork vermicelli…guess I'll be there tomorrow.
dyecraig wrote:
Cool thread, those were some good times.
Orpheus was a fun way to spend a lazy Sunday afternoon.
Cd Cellar, Earl's (next door) and Whole Foods are pretty much my only stops in Clarendon these days.
Remember 'keep clarendon weird'?
Wait a minute - EL POLLO RICO and that Vietnamese place way up the hill to the right - amazing grilled pork vermicelli…guess I'll be there tomorrow.


When was Clarendon weird?  The whitest, chainiest place ever! That dump kareoke place in the strip mall was kinda cool. And Jays, does it still exist?