gellman
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Re: Please Vote!
November 04, 2021 at 04:02 PM UTC
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The wokeness excuse doesn’t really hold water. It’s just rebranded fear mongering a la DER GONNA TAKE MA GUNZ AWAY that GOP operatives know how to execute oh so well.
Just like CRT it was never going to happen. They just know how to rile up their base and get them to the polls.
Blame Terry for sitting on his ass and not running an effective campaign if anything.
jrpa
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Re: Please Vote!
November 04, 2021 at 04:04 PM UTC
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I think Dems think the middle of this country is socially liberal but financially conservative and the reality is the ideological middle of this country who decides elections is actually financially liberal and socially conservative. And when some people say Dems lose by being too woke, they're articulating this divide in a clunky (but still true) way.
Space Freely
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Re: Please Vote!
November 04, 2021 at 04:27 PM UTC
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Luciferase-hatch wrote:
Starsky wrote:
I just disagree with your approach of always blaming people for not voting.
so I do get it, but fuck them…they are willing to support dem policies when it's coinvent and I'm sure complain when the GOP takes charge
Voting in VA in 2021 was about as easy as it could get
I think if you could ask those 500k biden voters if they could do nov 2nd over again, they would vote for Terry-the-I-don't-know-what-you-stand-for-but-you-are-a-dem-and-not-GQP in a heart beat…at least 3 out of 4.
I'm sure they will bitch and moan when there are Gun Trucks on every corner, their kids are having to memorize bible verses for their weekly pop quiz and their daughters are getting virginity checks
[/quotlike the last time we had a Republican governor?
sweetcell
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Re: Please Vote!
November 04, 2021 at 04:35 PM UTC
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Luciferase-hatch wrote:
Starsky wrote:
Democrats like to believe if everyone voted Democrats would always win….
because it's true
yup. hence the GOP's emphasis on voter suppression. gerrymandering isn't enough anymore.
Sidehatch
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Re: Please Vote!
November 04, 2021 at 04:41 PM UTC
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sweetcell wrote:
Luciferase-hatch wrote:
Starsky wrote:
Democrats like to believe if everyone voted Democrats would always win….
because it's true
yup. hence the GOP's emphasis on voter suppression. gerrymandering isn't enough anymore.
thank you for your support!
Sidehatch
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Re: Please Vote!
November 04, 2021 at 05:05 PM UTC
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Starsky wrote:
Would Democrats win Oklahoma if everyone was forced to vote?
Republicans don’t want to suppress all votes just Democrat votes.
well, maybe not OK, but I think the population of NOVA/Charlottesville/Richmond is bigger than the rest of the state…so yes I think VA would be blue if everyone voted (this whole forced to vote I never said)
you are correct, they actively come up with ways to suppress the dem vote…these elections are won on so few vote that it makes a huge impact
sweetcell
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Re: Please Vote!
November 04, 2021 at 05:06 PM UTC
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Starsky wrote:
Would Democrats win Oklahoma if everyone was forced to vote?
obviously not, just like repubs aren't going to win california. implied in this statement is "in competitive districts", i.e. where it's worth doing something.
Starsky wrote:
Republicans don’t want to suppress all votes just Democrat votes.
that was also implied, but thanks for bringing that to the fore. obviously they don't want to shoot themselves in their collective foot.
Starsky
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Re: Please Vote!
November 04, 2021 at 05:15 PM UTC
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Really are there a ton more registered Democrats than Republicans in Virginia?
I mean there are a ton of Republicans that don’t vote either I mean do you have any evidence for your assertion other than back of the envelope calculations, if that, about the size of Virginia urban areas or is it just what you want to believe?
Sidehatch
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Re: Please Vote!
November 04, 2021 at 05:19 PM UTC
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Starsky wrote:
Really are there a ton more registered Democrats than Republicans in Virginia?
never said that, Republicans are just way more motivated to vote….how do the dems appeal to the apathetic voter like the GQP is the question
Starsky wrote:do you have any evidence for your assertion
I got nothing…but it helps me sleep at night for some bizarre reason
Starsky
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Re: Please Vote!
November 04, 2021 at 05:21 PM UTC
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I mean isn’t part of the current Republican base low education low income white voters? You don’t believe there are a lot of those in Virginia? These people tend to vote in much lower numbers than high income voters o say where Democrats consistently win elections like Arlington where you live?
Starsky
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Re: Please Vote!
November 04, 2021 at 05:21 PM UTC
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Ok so you say you got nothing
Exactly
sweetcell
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Re: Please Vote!
November 04, 2021 at 05:25 PM UTC
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Starsky wrote:
These people tend to vote in much lower numbers than high income voters
what do you base this assertion on?
Sidehatch
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Re: Please Vote!
November 04, 2021 at 05:26 PM UTC
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VA is blue and I"m sticking with that
Terry had so little to offer and I think people just assumed they didn't need to show up with biden's 10point thumping a year ago
also there are a LOT of low income minority voters who don't vote either
Starsky
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Re: Please Vote!
November 04, 2021 at 05:31 PM UTC
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Let’s see a quick glance at Wikipedia tells me 60% of Virginia is non Hispanic white…about 20% black about 10% Hispanic
Interesting
Sidehatch
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Re: Please Vote!
November 04, 2021 at 05:34 PM UTC
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Starsky wrote:
Let’s see a quick glance at Wikipedia tells me 60% of Virginia is non Hispanic white…about 20% black about 10% Hispanic
Interesting
you can't trust Wikipedia, the Jewish space laser command is manipulating everything you see
so of that 60%…how many are GQP…maybe 75%…so that's less than 50% of the population …right?
Starsky
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Re: Please Vote!
November 04, 2021 at 05:41 PM UTC
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I would bet you 90% of Virginians have no idea how many percentage points Biden won Virginia by…
It’s a common misconception to think others must be like us… like because you know Biden won in a romp most people would know or remember that
Hell I bet you 20% of Virginians are convinced Trump beat Biden and with your logic they thought “I better stay home cause the Republican has this in the bag!”
We heard for a good couple of weeks - everywhere- that the election was going to be close. I don’t believe the difference came down- at all- to people thinking Terry had it in the bag. I don’t see this situation as analogous to Trump v Clinton.
sweetcell
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Re: Please Vote!
November 04, 2021 at 05:42 PM UTC
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Starsky wrote:
I see. Based on no facts you are sticking with your long rooted beliefs
sweetcell wrote:
Starsky wrote:
These people tend to vote in much lower numbers than high income voters
what do you base this assertion on?
we all do it.