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Starsky
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Re: Live in the Age of Covid19 August 12, 2021 at 09:53 PM UTC #
Add State Theatre to venues requiring vaccination or proof of negative test


I don’t believe the Birchmere or Fillmore have spoken yet
vansmack
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Re: Live in the Age of Covid19 August 12, 2021 at 09:58 PM UTC #
Beginning Aug 20, SF is requiring Vaccine proof for:

Bars
Restaurants
Clubs
Gyms
Large indoor events (concerts)

Masks are still required.  You can not use a self-attestation of vaccination or a negative COVID-19 test. You must have proof that you are vaccinated.
Sidehatch
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Re: Live in the Age of Covid19 August 16, 2021 at 12:42 PM UTC #
kosmo wrote:
Require Proof of Full Vaccination

So maybe this is a moot point, but those Vax cards…weren't they just more of appointment reminders to get your second shot
they are not official documents and VERY EASILY forged. 

Doesn't this seem like a problem…. in that the people that don't want the vax would be the most likely to forge a card…
you do the math
This solution has a major flaw

Also, is there a penalty for forging a 'vax card' (as it's not an official document)
StoneTheCrow
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Re: Live in the Age of Covid19 August 16, 2021 at 12:57 PM UTC #
Easily forged, yes. But still a government form, no?

If so, there may be heavy fines if caught with one.
Sidehatch
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Re: Live in the Age of Covid19 August 16, 2021 at 03:07 PM UTC #
StoneTheCrow wrote:
Easily forged, yes. But still a government form, no?

If so, there may be heavy fines if caught with one.

Hadn't researched it, but still seems a little vague and enforcement non existent  ….


According to attorney and  legal analyst Page Pate, using a fake vaccine card can constitute a federal crime - and can land you in prison for as many as five years.
https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/using-or-making-a-fake-covid-vaccination-card-is-a-federal-crime/289-8edfc6b3-c490-4dbf-b516-9f8c59e04282

now who is going to enforce this?  The ticket taker?

at least one person has been arrested on this
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/woman-arrested-fake-covid-19-immunization-and-vaccination-card-scheme
although this one is a lot more complicated as a "Dr" provided 'vax pills' and instructed the takers to fill out the form saying they got moderna…
Starsky
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Re: Live in the Age of Covid19 August 16, 2021 at 03:23 PM UTC #
I don’t believe anyone is claiming requiring proof of vaccination will ensure 100% of people attending will be vaccinated.


Is that your expectation or demand?
Sidehatch
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Re: Live in the Age of Covid19 August 16, 2021 at 03:27 PM UTC #
So if everyone is demanding proof, but it can be a grainy photo on a phone…seems like this isn't doing what it intends

I think the thought is, hey if I go to this event, I'm feeling confident that everyone in this venue has a jab or a clear test in the last 72 hours because the venue is enforcing rules

let's say a Kenny Chensey …more than 25% will have forged vax cards (more/less, not really sure)
I think it's setting up expectations that clearly won't be met
Starsky
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Re: Live in the Age of Covid19 August 16, 2021 at 03:36 PM UTC #
The intent is to ensure an overwhelming percentage of people at a specific show are vaccinated and also act as an inducement for people to get vaccinated.

It’s a big step forward. Is it perfect? Will it ensure nobody skirts the system? Of course not.

I can’t believe I have to write this…

Oh and I think you vastly exaggerate the number of people that will have forged cards. Vastly

Sidehatch
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Re: Live in the Age of Covid19 August 16, 2021 at 04:15 PM UTC #
Not sure why your responses have to have such an air of arrogance that all the facts and answers are out there for everyone to see and anyone who doesn't clearly understand this vague situation is clearly a total idiot

so I get it, point taken
Starsky
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Re: Live in the Age of Covid19 August 16, 2021 at 04:24 PM UTC #
I see.

Maybe I am having a bad life  or maybe I am just a dick or maybe stupidity angers me. Maybe all three.

It never would occur to me that the system was a failure if it wasn’t 100% effective.

I think it’s a work in progress and with experience maybe it can be improved. I wouldn’t accept pictures for example. But it’s a first step. How things go with covid will dictate what happens next. One can easily envision local government run and mandated vaccine passports… Right now businesses with no experience in this area are trying to get something going….

And of course people attending shows in DC still have to wear masks although this vaccine proof requirement may make many people feel that is not so….

I was not at Jason Mraz so can’t say how it went at first IMP show with requirement
Sidehatch
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Re: Live in the Age of Covid19 August 16, 2021 at 04:31 PM UTC #
Starsky wrote:
I was not at Jason Mraz
dodged a bullet on that one
Starsky
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Re: Live in the Age of Covid19 August 16, 2021 at 04:37 PM UTC #
I saw him open for Liz Phair at the club many years ago

Sidehatch
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Re: Live in the Age of Covid19 August 16, 2021 at 09:07 PM UTC #
vansmack wrote:
Sigma-hatch wrote:
Also, is there a penalty for forging a 'vax card' (as it's not an official document)


https://abc7.com/la-father-son-arrested-in-hawaii-for-fake-vaccine-cards/10952038/

well what did you expect from someone from The Pacific Palisades …
vansmack
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Re: Live in the Age of Covid19 August 16, 2021 at 09:17 PM UTC #
Sigma-hatch wrote:
well what did you expect from someone from The Pacific Palisades …


Mmhmm.  #preach
grateful
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Re: Live in the Age of Covid19 August 17, 2021 at 08:53 PM UTC #
They should really invite everyone down to fill in the first 15 rows.
sweetcell
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Re: Live in the Age of Covid19 August 17, 2021 at 09:00 PM UTC #
challenged wrote:Hey, Soul Sistahs.

I just looked at the ticket avails for Train tonight in Baltimore at Pier6. It looks like they have sold maybe 200 tickets. Yikes.

https://concerts.livenation.com/event/15005ACA92BA1F06?CFC_LNBALTWASHDC_SOCIAL_CN_TRAIN&fbclid=IwAR3wvXrqJCMrmSfpmZ_C6GemJo1bqMBv9EYBXkbMPdrduECkIDg2N8pZ3a0 


i think 200 is low-balling it, looks about a third full (so around 900?), but yeah - clearly less demand than they had planned.  wonder how many are staying away because of covid…


excontradiction wrote:
They should really invite everyone down to fill in the first 15 rows.

pretty sure that's going to happen anyways, even if uninvited.
kmdobrz
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Re: Live in the Age of Covid19 August 18, 2021 at 06:00 PM UTC #
Garth Brooks show at M&T Bank Stadium is no more.
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