The Armageddon Election 2024 Or Apocalypse 2024

All those people are voting Trump. I don’t care if she picks Jesus Christ as her VP.

hutch wrote:
All those people are voting Trump. I don’t care if she picks Jesus Christ as her VP.

questionable if he would be eligible

Estimates of Jesus' age at the time of his death range from 33 to 40 years old,

hutch wrote:
All those people are voting Trump. I don’t care if she picks Jesus Christ as her VP.

I think JC died before he was 35, so not eligible?

I think of someone like my sister in law, who seems to be a conservative leaning Christian, who hates Trump. I think a Beshear VP pick might have an influence on her, as much as a VP selection could have.

I like Pete but I don't think a black woman and a gay guy are the right combination, no matter if the black woman is Oprah and the gay guy is Jesus.

Dude, this is a winning ticket

Oprah/Gay-Jesus 2024!

this is another nice stat

880,000 people have given to the @KamalaHarris campaign in the last 24 hours — 60% new.

the base is fired up, we needed something to get the base energized and this has really helped IMO

Only thing is they really should have dropped this news like one hour before trumps Convention speech
so he knew right before he was going on, that would have been an epic meltdown

with this announcement, the race is won!
Nikki Haley Voters PAC Announces Support for Kamala Harris

/sarcasm_off

Oh man, she's going for the jazz vinyl vote!
https://www.facebook.com/reel/228274609832512

If democrats had stuck with Joe we would be in exactly the same place.



The only people saying Biden had no chance were the media and democrats.

I hope am wrong but democrats may come to regret their collective panic. A better approach would have been not to agree to debate Trump and stick together.

After the first debate I still think sticking with Biden may ultimately prove to have been a better bet. The panic was what drove down Biden’s numbers.

https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/connecticut/article/ct-q-poll-kamala-harris-donald-trump-quinnipiac-19588998.php

Hatchamaticıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl wrote:
Oh man, she's going for the jazz vinyl vote!
https://www.facebook.com/reel/228274609832512

Shes got hutch back in the fold!!

Justin wrote:
IT'S BEEN LESS THAN 48 HOURS!!!

Meaning the high point?

Julian, wrote:

Hatchamaticıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl wrote:
Oh man, she's going for the jazz vinyl vote!
https://www.facebook.com/reel/228274609832512

Shes got hutch back in the fold!!

I like Kamala. Always have. I do not like the way the party panicked and pushed out Biden.

hutch wrote:

Julian, wrote:

Hatchamaticıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl wrote:
Oh man, she's going for the jazz vinyl vote!
https://www.facebook.com/reel/228274609832512

Shes got hutch back in the fold!!

I like Kamala. Always have. I do not like the way the party panicked and pushed out Biden.

I have no dog in this fight but come on… biden is practically a walking corpse

Then someone should have taken him down in the primaries. I believe that’s the way it’s supposed to work?

I mean this is about winning or is it about job performance?

Biden has been a far more effective president than Obama.

And if it’s -as I believe- all about winning I am having trouble understanding how Kamala has a better chance of winning Pennsylvania than Scranton Joe.

Obviously after weeks of the media and democrats abandoning Biden his poll numbers began to go down. How could they not? But in the aftermath of the debate his numbers were steady and as the Quinnipac pollsters argue the same as Harris. Now that may change or it may not.

But if you are saying you would rather have Trump than Biden well you lost me.

And if you are saying Biden couldn’t win well I don’t think there is evidence for that…

We will never know now but let’s hope all panicked democrats were right…

I think the way to view an election in today’s America is to think of the parties as teams. At this point 99% of Americans are either on one team or the other and most Americans don’t give a shit about politics or polls or debates or pundits as far as informing their vote. They look to media to reaffirm their belief in their team. Now when the media all went nuts about how their team was going to get creamed well yeah that had an impact…

Let me add that this is the same media that said Trump had no chance after the Access Hollywood tape. How did that work out?

hutch wrote:
I mean this is about winning or is it about job performance?

Winning. Thanks for asking.

Well exactly and winning is not about being old.

It’s not about future performance. It’s about being able to win.

America hasn’t ever even elected a female president!

hutch wrote:

America hasn’t ever even elected a female president!

yet

hutch wrote:
Well exactly and winning is not about being old.

It’s not about future performance. It’s about being able to win.

America hasn’t ever even elected a female president!

The Biden vs. Obama presidency would be an interesting historic discussion. IRA vs. ARRA.  Staying in Afghanistan vs. bloody retreat.  Budget caps deal vs. sequestration etc…etc…  I haven't put enough thought into it to have a strong opinion.

I felt like Biden was likely to lose before the debate.  2020 was too close and his standing was worse. I do still wonder if everyone had pretended the debate was fine, would it have just gone away in the public conscious. I think there is a good chance that it would have, though the polls in swing states maybe suggest that isn't the case. I think the bigger problem is, he was losing before the debate and he needed it to shake things up. (His team felt similarly or they wouldn't have scheduled the early debate).

Folks running down ballot didn't think the bad debate was something that could be ignored. They felt like saying that things were fine would undercut their own legitimacy and so Biden was pulling them down. While Manchin just wanted to stick Biden because he could, folks like Sherrod Brown don't come out unless they really feel threatened. Their job is to get elected, so I put some stock in their reactions.

If you asked me to pick a Dem to lead a ticket to take on Trump, Kamala wouldn't be in my top 10 (even withot fantasy picks like Oprah). As for historic precedents, we've also never voted for an 80 year old, or an incumbant whose approval is in the 30s.  I don't like where we are but since I had already written Biden off and was terrified about the House and Senate, I'm cautiosly optimistic that this could be a net positive. But I don't feel good about it.

And then if we want assign blame for the situation I assign it to Biden and his team for refusing to acknowledge they had a problem.  Even worse they hid the President for 18 months, attacked any press who wrote about it and generally stacked the deck by changing the primary order. But if you think that Biden was the best chance of winning, then I can see how Pelosi and Schumer get the blame.

Regardless, no one can blame Bernie, AOC or progressives this time.  This is purely the neolibs fighting it among themselves. The joys of late stage capitalism.