The Armageddon Election 2024 Or Apocalypse 2024

gavroche wrote:Whatever you think about Trump, he is an effective communiactor.

bigly 🙄

Trump is an effective communicator only in the most blunt way possible. Require him to use any nuance at all and he morphs into static.

Justin wrote:morphs into static.

hey that's the title of my next ep

Justin wrote:
Trump is an effective communicator only in the most blunt way possible. Require him to use any nuance at all and he morphs into static.

I can't explain why he's effective. I don't think it should work, but it obviously does.  I mean, DeSantis tries to ape him and can't.  Same with Cruz and Abbott.

nkotb wrote:
Being president of the US rules…most powerful person in the world who has exactly zero ability to influence things for the better!

There you go again….there is a big difference between the Biden presidency and the Trump presidency. If you don’t see that…

I mean what do you people want? He should have kidnapped and tortured Manchin until he got his vote on the climate change bill?

Hutch wrote:

nkotb wrote:
Being president of the US rules…most powerful person in the world who has exactly zero ability to influence things for the better!

There you go again….there is a big difference between the Biden presidency and the Trump presidency. If you don’t see that…

I mean what do you people want? He should have kidnapped and tortured Manchin until he got his vote on the climate change bill?

Biden has tons of executive authorities that he could have used on climate and refused. Staring with EPA refs that have been slow and weaker than necessary, to DOI that has continued to approve drilling, to DOE that is approving gas exports to FERC which stalled its greenhouse gas rules. There is simply no way to say that Biden has been aggressive on the issue or treated it as a crisis. It might be bad politics for him to do so, he certainly thinks it is, but it doesn’t mean he can’t or that young voters scared about the issue don’t see it.

But I still think his biggest issue is communication style. He’s just not been very good at selling what he has done, and ultimately that’s as important as what you’ve actually done.

Uh oh…you seem to actually know what you are talking about….

The thing is republican's love to tout the spending of federal money for their states/districts which they voted against.  how is biden suppose to counter that…


also, as someone pointed out where was the media coverage of Biden of announcing 16 Billion dollars in infrastructure spending in Delaware the other day.  oh wait i'm being told it was more important to provide coverage of someone throwing yet another public tantrum in a courtroom, my bad

Beshear 2024!

Not sure who that is but I'm thinking

Whitmer and someone from VA 2024

Ok, let's put aside for the second that Biden is a) the president of the US, and b) the head of his party, and assume he has no power to pressure anyone on his side of the aisle to fall in line.  Seems odd, given history has shown that to be achievable and the Republicans seem to have no problem doing it, but let's present we live in Hutch world.

He'd still have plenty of things he could have done if he had a spine and wasn't so tied to bullshit norms and formality.  He could've overruled the parliamentarian and given people the $15 minimum wage Dems have been promising.  He could've used the Higher Ed Act to actually make good on his campaign promise to forgive during his campaign.  He could've declared the climate collapse as a national emergency. 

Not saying any of those guarantees of success or even without legal challenges, but he simply doesn't even want to try. 

Hutch wrote:

nkotb wrote:
Being president of the US rules…most powerful person in the world who has exactly zero ability to influence things for the better!

There you go again….there is a big difference between the Biden presidency and the Trump presidency. If you don’t see that…

I mean what do you people want? He should have kidnapped and tortured Manchin until he got his vote on the climate change bill?

Gavroche had me at hello but you lose me…..

Maybe have Gavroche present your thoughts for you?

Is your hat on too tight?

I been going hatless lately….just not feeling it

Baseball cap is loose.

Space wrote:
Beshear 2024!

after hearing his acceptance speech for a state like KY…he has potential as a national candidate
he has my interest piqued.

other than the Dems don't want a white male,
he checks a lot of boxes and got re-elected as Gov in a state that has Mitch/Rand and voted Trump by 30 points in 2016 and 26 points in 2020

Almost all the down-ticket votes went R in KY

edit…not sure why I say "I must say" so much

Hutch wrote:
I been going hatless lately….just not feeling it

That's why no one got my Hutch Halloween costume…I wore a top hat to a rock show

I think after last night we won’t see Democratic candidates deviate much from focusing on abortion rights/anti-MAGA “extremism”

In other words it will all be about painting the Republicans as scary and crazy.

Ideally Democrats in swing states will put abortion rights initiatives and measures on the ballot in 2024 to drive up the Biden vote and depress the Republican share.

I have to be honest that having seen the ads Democrats ran in Virginia I find this a bit depressing but that’s politics.

Meanwhile, back in DC…

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-approves-bill-slashing-pete-buttigiegs-salary-1-dollar

The House approved a measure late Tuesday that would slash Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg's taxpayer-funded government salary to just $1.
The bill — which was introduced by Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga. — was passed via voice vote Tuesday as an amendment to the 2024 Financial Services and General Government Appropriations Act, the standalone funding bill for the General Services Administration, Securities and Exchange Commission and other related agencies.
"I’m proud to announce my amendment to FIRE Pete Buttigieg just PASSED the House. Pothole Pete staged fake bike rides to the White House and used private planes funded by taxpayers to receive awards for the way certain people have sex," Greene said in a social media post Tuesday. "American taxpayers should not be on the hook for paying for his lavish trips or his salary."
"Pete Buttigieg doesn’t do his job. It’s all about fake photo ops and taxpayer-funded private jet trip to accept LGBTQ awards for him," Greene added. "I’m happy my amendment passed, but he doesn’t deserve a single penny."

Space wrote: "used private planes funded by taxpayers to receive awards for the way certain people have sex," Greene said

ok, now you have my attention…are their any opening for this job?

kosmo wrote:
The thing is republican's love to tout the spending of federal money for their states/districts which they voted against.  how is biden suppose to counter that…


also, as someone pointed out where was the media coverage of Biden of announcing 16 Billion dollars in infrastructure spending in Delaware the other day.  oh wait i'm being told it was more important to provide coverage of someone throwing yet another public tantrum in a courtroom, my bad

I'm not sure if the politics of spending and government awards work anymore. Wealth inequality and the sense that the system is rigged might have just undone it all.

If the Democrats really wanted that though, it would be smarter to direct spending to winnable states.  Instead Democrats keep passing bills (like the IRA and IIJA) where the benefits go predominantely to red states and where they won't get credit no matter what they do. Trump did just the opposite; the bills that has pased going overwhelmingly to his base and targeted his oponents (SALT for example). It's for sure asymetrical. One side is trying to break government in order to take control of it.

I don't really know how Reagan was able to remain pupular despite high inflation, but even if wages were keeping up with inflation, it's just psychologically battering to go to the store and be shocked every time you get the bill.  Probably because the economic experts liked his solution of tax cuts and rewards for business and so the narrative was that Regan was fighting it. 

I don't think the Republicans really care about touting wins though.  For them it's really about culture wars and big ticket issues. I don't think Biden is particularly good at appearing like he's going to the matt for a cause (even abortion).  He might win as a result of not alienating anyone, but it's a hard way to ever have real popularity