The Armageddon Election 2024 Or Apocalypse 2024

hutch wrote: We need other parties but the US electoral system makes it impossible.

100% agree, I'm a huge proponent of more parties, but between the EC and the voters being so evenly split, it's only a spoiler most of the times, rather than making a difference


saw this today and couldn't agree more…this is for NKOTB

@chrislongview
a brief history lesson for the youths:

we did not get Barack Obama to ditch Don't Ask Don't Tell and publicly support marriage equality by protesting him BEFORE he was elected. you need a leader in office before you can lobby them to get what you want.

Well I disagree with that history lesson..

At the rate things go viral these days, her scolding those protesters was not the best response.  I’m assuming it’s all over tik-tok and in a razor thin state like Michigan maybe not best to alienate the youth, etc.

I don’t know about that……

A lot of people- myself included- believe these protesters are out of line numbskulls. You might lose a few of their votes on the left fringe which you probably weren’t going to get anyway but you might gain more votes in the middle. And let’s face it Trump has made a killing appearing tough. It’s his whole act and it works. Kamala can’t confront that by singing kumbaya and holding hands with protesters.

The Green Party would be a lot more tolerable — and successful — if instead of throwing all their energy into these tilting at windmills efforts to disrupt Presidential elections, they focused on Congress and tried to build up a beachhead of 15-20 seats over the next two decades. That they refuse to do this — the way small parties do in Western Europe — makes the entire “Party” feel like there’s not adults in the room for me, a person who’d throw a green candidate a seat in state or congressional elections, to trust.

Julian, wrote:
The Green Party would be a lot more tolerable — and successful — if instead of throwing all their energy into these tilting at windmills efforts to disrupt Presidential elections, they focused on Congress and tried to build up a beachhead of 15-20 seats over the next two decades. That they refuse to do this — the way small parties do in Western Europe — makes the entire “Party” feel like there’s not adults in the room for me, a person who’d throw a green candidate a seat in state or congressional elections, to trust.

I 100% agree with this.  Greens need to start local, then move to the reps, then get a senate seat…that's the only path
but starting with the POTUS is just stupid

hutch wrote: You might lose a few of their votes on the left fringe which you probably weren’t going to get anyway but you might gain more votes in the middle.

yep

focus on the winable votes, don't waste $ or time on people who were never going to vote for you unless you meet ALL of their demands
that's just not the way elections work and the fringe are stupid for thinking it does

kosmo wrote:
Well I disagree with that history lesson..

the history lesson was for the youts, not the person running for POTUS

I mean, obviously you need to never stop pressuring public officials, but the idea that it's better to do it after they're elected is insane.  Voting should be transactional…they want your vote and you want your and others material conditions to improve.  Once someone is in office, there is no lever of influence to get then to do anything!  You can vote in another 2, 4, 6 years, but then you'll be too busy picking the lesser of two evils, and the cycle continues. 

Doesn't mean they'll actually follow through, obviously, but at least they're on record and you can work to hold them to that.

I think what the uncommitted campaign has done is incredible…you are providing bombs that are being used to commit a genocide, so you aren't getting our vote.  Easy as.

Hatchamaticıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl wrote:
@chrislongview
a brief history lesson for the youths:

we did not get Barack Obama to ditch Don't Ask Don't Tell and publicly support marriage equality by protesting him BEFORE he was elected. you need a leader in office before you can lobby them to get what you want.

nkotb wrote:
I think what the uncommitted campaign has done is incredible…you are providing bombs that are being used to commit a genocide, so you aren't getting our vote.  Easy as.

weird how you only castigate one party for this…when except for a few elected officials (some who just lost their jobs for this stance)… just about every other person in gov't that has power has backed Israel
lots are not backing Bibi though…and that's a big change

I only used that as an example of having a concrete demand, and flexing the only power you have (your vote) to get it.

Biden is the president, and has unconditionally backed giving weapons to Israel.  He was up for re-election, so they used their power to send him a message.

Should there have been an uncommitted movement on the Republican side?  Of course…but that base is a bunch of hooting hogs that would love to see brown people wiped off the face of the earth.  Why bother even pretending that should be part of the discussion here?

Hatchamaticıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl wrote:

nkotb wrote:
I think what the uncommitted campaign has done is incredible…you are providing bombs that are being used to commit a genocide, so you aren't getting our vote.  Easy as.

weird how you only castigate one party for this…when except for a few elected officials (some who just lost their jobs for this stance)… just about every other person in gov't that has power has backed Israel
lots are not backing Bibi though…and that's a big change

Julian, wrote:
The Green Party …. they focused on Congress and tried to build up a beachhead of 15-20 seats over the next two decades.

so they have done some, but no congressional seat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Green_politicians_who_have_held_office_in_the_United_States
As of November 7, 2023 elections, at least 142 Greens hold elected office across the United States.

but most importantly: As of 2023, no nominee of the Green Party has been elected to office in the federal government.

so I'm all about voter rights, but I think the democratic party needs to just be ok with Voter ID
It's just hard to defend to a waffling voter

I get why Voter ID 100% impacts one party more
but just make sure that people without Voter ID can submit their vote provisionally and then scrutinized fully at that time whether that vote is legit or not

I don't know the numbers, but is it that big of an impact in battle ground states?

I just think if we take some of the GOP demands and just deliver, they are caught flat footed
of all things, i'm somewhat ok with giving ground on this

yikes and biden needs to make weed legal ASAP

Trump just said he supports rescheduling and legalization of Cannabis.

we can't have this a win for the GOP when it's such an easy get

Hatchamaticıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl wrote:

Julian, wrote:
The Green Party …. they focused on Congress and tried to build up a beachhead of 15-20 seats over the next two decades.

so they have done some, but no congressional seat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Green_politicians_who_have_held_office_in_the_United_States
As of November 7, 2023 elections, at least 142 Greens hold elected office across the United States.

but most importantly: As of 2023, no nominee of the Green Party has been elected to office in the federal government.

They do not hold a single state legislature seat in the entire country. They’re doing this so ass-backwards.

Hatchamaticıll|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|̲̅̅=̲̅̅|̲̅̅●̲̅̅|llıl wrote:
I just think if we take some of the GOP demands and just deliver, they are caught flat footed
of all things, i'm somewhat ok with giving ground on this

unfortunately we live in a highly polarized zero-sum political environment.  if Dems give in on this, the GOP will gloat "see we told you they'd cave because we're right", "GOP policies for the win", etc.  and it would also taint future clashes: "the Dems were wrong on voter ID, and still they're wrong on <insert issue du jour>"

It’s so cute that the hooting hogs are trying to start a meme/rumor that Walz blew a horse… this is not how this stuff works dimwits.. leave such activities to the experts

of course I searched x for horse and walz…I don't think this is gonna stick, but they are trying

I'm here for the rod stewart rumor to resurface in memes

This guy is weird
https://www.the-express.com/news/politics/145483/rfk-jr-roadkill-freezer-dead-bear-central-park

The couch thing works because it is believable. It resonates because it’s like a shorthand for the weird creepiness people instinctively feel about the guy.

That doesn’t work with Walz. It doesn’t fit. Of course those guys don’t understand the difference and that’s why none of them are funny or have a good sense of humor.

One other thing is that I saw Harris isn’t giving interviews. I like that. Taylor Swift and Beyonce built massively powerful movements and never give real interviews. We don’t know sh*t about who they are really like or really think. The aura is the message.

This fits for me, but then again I’m not running for president

Lawrence O’Donnell

“Vast well of Stupidity that takes up most of his brain”

love this translator!




in other news…

Joe Rogan, Tim Pool, and Nick Fuentes have made public statements against Trump today.

Julian, wrote:

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Julian, wrote:
The Green Party …. they focused on Congress and tried to build up a beachhead of 15-20 seats over the next two decades.

so they have done some, but no congressional seat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Green_politicians_who_have_held_office_in_the_United_States
As of November 7, 2023 elections, at least 142 Greens hold elected office across the United States.

but most importantly: As of 2023, no nominee of the Green Party has been elected to office in the federal government.

They do not hold a single state legislature seat in the entire country. They&#8217;re doing this so ass-backwards.

The Green Party has tried a bunch of different strategies to gain relevence, including supporting local candidates in the hopes they could later break through.  The problem is, once they have wanted to run for bigger office they've all had to switch to become Dems. Local races are just really low information contests, so I think it's hard to break through.  Famously,  Sinema was a green party activist.

My sense is that running a presidential candidate keeps them in the public consciousness, which allows them to raise money and stay afloat.