The Armageddon Election 2024 Or Apocalypse 2024

hutch wrote:
The Harris campaign reminds me of Clinton in 2016. They act as if they are going to win and can run out the clock. They don’t talk policy and limit media exposure. It’s weird because I think Trump is the clear front runner currently and we are only about a month out. Harris in 2024 is like Clinton in 2016: hey things are going pretty well so stick with us democrats. I don’t find this a compelling message.

This is 100% what I'm feeling and worried about. I don't know fully if they're running things differently and we don't see it here locally, ie. things like supposedly spending more on ground game than Clinton did, but it feels real similar with things like margin of error fluctuations in polls and seemingly not hitting them hard enough on his/their bullshit. Again, maybe we see less of that here in a trio of minimal or non-swing districts. My only personal "hopium" thought is that it shouldn't be possible, accounting for variables, to run the same inputs twice (boiled down, Trump v. woman professional politician) and end up with the same outcome. By variables meaning that Harris is less "disliked" than Trump. He is no longer an unknown (for some voters that might be a net negative against Harris, so who knows), age gap sentiment. There should be some lessons learned from 2016. All that said, who knows.
  I'm surrounded by folks for whom a second Trump term could spell personal negative impacts for (mainly on immigration front), but even they are cavalier about how he's clearly a successful businessman (I mean a good conman, is technically a good businessman) and that Harris is a number of insulting things (a fool, a whore, a liar, an antisemite). The fact that those folks are that forthright in their opinion has me absolutely worried for what this country will look like going forward. At best a dystopia of end-stage capitalism, at worst. . . Idiocracy meets The Purge. Maybe I need to stop drinking at work. 

hutch wrote:
It’s weird because I think Trump is the clear front runner currently

genuinely curious, what do you see that i don't?  in my view, neither is a clear front-runner.  trump was in the lead following the RNC, the switch to Kamala swung momentum back to the dems, and now it's an unclear toss-up… entirely IMO.

evilizac wrote:
not hitting them hard enough on his/their bullshit.

the whole pronouns thing isn't a winning issue for the Dems.  drop it already.

sweetcell wrote:

hutch wrote:
It’s weird because I think Trump is the clear front runner currently

genuinely curious, what do you see that i don't?  in my view, neither is a clear front-runner.  trump was in the lead following the RNC, the switch to Kamala swung momentum back to the dems, and now it's an unclear toss-up… entirely IMO.

I feel like the change might have added more noise, than signal to the signal. Obvs. that Joe was way unpopular, but the exuberance might have masked the insidious stickiness of the Trump grift and show. Whenever I heard people digging into the numbers, he's built on his minority numbers, his youth vote numbers and really kind of everything, except for college educated (mainly) whites (as noted per the writing). I mean it was neck and neck in 2016 as well. I've been looking for comparisons between this time in 2016 and now and I haven't had luck in finding solid side-by-sides, mainly just think pieces about how the Harris campaign has supposedly learned from Clinton's mistakes. 

I think likability may be a factor. For all her accomplishments, Hillary Clinton wasn't particularly likable. Even worse, she campaigned as if she was entitled to the office. Kamala Harris seems much more likable, and since she was very suddenly thrust into the position of the Democratic Party candidate, she hasn't had time to develop an "I deserve this" attitude.

If you compare poll numbers at this point four years ago Trump is up 4 in swing states and 5 nationally. Likewise up vs 2016.


That, just for starters

Polls don’t matter much five months out but one month out??

It’s also a gut instinct thing…I just feel that fundamentally a majority of Americans like Trump. It took Covid - more than anything- to defeat him.

I have never seen as many Trump signs as current in Arlington which votes 80-20 D.

Also look at Trump’s numbers with Latinos. They like him! I mean he is up to over 40% of Latinos.

And then you got the D debacle of ditching Joe and replacing him with Harris with no primaries no challenge and she picks Walz. She is going to lose Pennsylvania. I can feel it.

Of course I hope I am wrong. Wouldn’t be the millionth time. I am wrong regularly.

Also, I was wrong about inflation impacting midterms. I just think it took a little while for people to absorb the permanence of this effect. I mean I don’t know but aren’t you guys feeling the impact? I feel like things are tighter for my family.

And immigration..how hard is it for D to pretend to care??? Just announce some big plan about getting serious EVEN if it’s BS. I mean don’t just ignore the fact people feel D are soft on it!!!


Are we even trying to win??

hutch wrote: I feel like things are tighter

Listen, Relaxer is never coming back and we just all have to make peace with that.

😂


Bottom line we are all going to die.

I am depressed 😔

hutch wrote:
I am depressed 😔

We meet on Thursdays. I’ll send you the zoom link.

So I guess this new Jack Smith reveal will have zero impact on any one leaning trump


this is some bizzaro world shit too
Liz Cheney will campaign today with Vice President Harris in Ripon, Wisconsin — the city recognized as the birthplace of the Republican Party.

Can't believe people thing there's no difference between the two parties!

Multivisti-hatch wrote:
this is some bizzaro world shit too
Liz Cheney will campaign today with Vice President Harris in Ripon, Wisconsin — the city recognized as the birthplace of the Republican Party.

ROFL

whoa…judge did not hold back in her sentencing

Former Colorado county clerk Tina Peters sentenced to 9 years for voting data scheme

https://x.com/jayacoop/status/1841926356105351393

Strikes over. Biden played this so, so, so masterfully.

i know never read the comments… but today i learned the tinhat wearing blue check brigade are saying the weather is in fact controlled because (check notes) the existence of patents for devices that controlled the weather…

kosmo wrote:
i know never read the comments… but today i learned the tinhat wearing blue check brigade are saying the weather is in fact controlled because (check notes) the existence of patents for devices that controlled the weather…

Oof yeah, sorry about that. I lost the remote.