Originally posted by manimtired:Well, we knew she wasn't with you for your brains or your charm so it must be that. Good for you.
im just good lookin'
And for the record, I'm ugly as shit…
And for the record, I'm ugly as shit…
once again the jokes write themselves...
And for the record, I'm ugly as shit…
Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:catholic girls are the biggest cock hungry whores out there….I thought everyone knew that.
Originally posted by Arthwys:I used to date a girl who was a staunch Catholic conservative, so I got a fair degree of insight into that world. She had a whole lot of Catholic girlfriends, who all were staunchly pro-life and also very much about "wait until marriage," but one by one, they got knocked up, and very shortly after, engaged. Despite all the abstinence talk, that seems to be increasingly the normal path for young people in conservative circles – when everyone around you is a hypocrite you're not necessarily going to notice your own hypocrisy.
For social conservatives, sex before marriage is a heck of a lot smaller a sin than either abortion or having a baby out of wedlock. Hence why having the baby and getting hitched is going to be seen as a good example by the evangelical right.
Babies having babies is the norm in all Fundamentalist societies, whether it's the Taliban or the American right.
Originally posted by Relaxer:what i'm basically getting is that kids are stupid and don't ultimately care what teachers tell them. kids who want to do drugs, will do drugs, no matter how much education; kids who drive fast and get into accidents will still do the same thing no matter how much education you give them. . . but what do i know.
My answers to your questions are obvious. If you teach kids the harmful effects of drugs, it will reduce drug use. Will it eliminate it? Of course not. Will plenty of kids still use drugs? Of course. But for some of those kids hearing it, the message will get through. Conversely, if you refuse to teach kids about the evils of drug use, you will have more drug use happening. Same applies to the other examples you provided. I couldn't tell from what you wrote if you think prevention education is useful or useless, but I'd say it's pretty clear that it has its place.
Originally posted by vansmack:sorry i dont sit here writing novels on a music clubs message board to justify my political decisions. i actually just enjoy getting you lefties worked up..honestly..and it seems ive succeeded. i bet you are ugly..thats why youre so surly.
Originally posted by manimtired:Well, we knew she wasn't with you for your brains or your charm so it must be that. Good for you.
im just good lookin'
And for the record, I'm ugly as shit…
Originally posted by vansmack:that maybe true, and it is certainly amusing to people. what i'm simply getting at is even with safe-sex education, how do we know she still wouldn't have gotten pregnant; as well as the underlying assumption by people that she should have just got an abortion.
Come on Venerable, even you have to admit there is a lot of irony behind the woman who makes the decision to argue for or against the teaching of contraception in schools for the "largest state in the union" having a daughter who gets pregnant while she herself is, in fact,pregnant?
My in-laws seem quite happy, though technically they were 21 when it happened.
And none of their relatives were governors, as far as I know.
And none of their relatives were governors, as far as I know.
Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
Getting pregnant and married as a teenager is usually a pretty good guarantee of an unhappy life. Unless you're a governor's daughter. Life happens, but use a condom and life happens a lot less, and when you're mature enough to deal with it. I am not judging the girl, I am judging the mom and the Republicans for holding her up as an example. [/QB]
Originally posted by pdx pollard:well, i'm sure that if she were alive, herr doom would certainly tell her that her baby barack would be a drag on her life and society at large since she was an unwed teenage mother.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:well you could, but shes dead, happy life!
yeah, let's ask barack obama's mother.. . .
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:She wasn't unwed.
well, i'm sure that if she were alive, herr doom would certainly tell her that her baby barack would be a drag on her life and society at large since she was an unwed teenage mother.
Originally posted by manimtired:I don't think anyone is nervous or angry. Maybe a little glib but that's still a part of the giddiness. :p
i think its gone from giddy, to nervous, to angry to down right bummed out in this thread. but NO, it has not, b/c sonick tells me so.
Originally posted by pdx pollard:but, the point stays the same, no? even obama has noted that he was born to a teenage mother.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:She wasn't unwed.
well, i'm sure that if she were alive, herr doom would certainly tell her that her baby barack would be a drag on her life and society at large since she was an unwed teenage mother.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:i really dont give a shit about the point, just correcting your mistake, if her kid wants to have a kid, more power to her, doesnt make me think any more or less of Palin, her beliefs give me all I need to know about her
but, the point stays the same, no? even obama has noted that he was born to a teenage mother.
the only thing the kid thing does is make me think even less of republicans who moralize when its not their own house, didnt think it was possible
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:For the record, I've never said she should have an abortion, but I'm not shy about saying she should at least have that option available to her should she want to choose it.
that maybe true, and it is certainly amusing to people. what i'm simply getting at is even with safe-sex education, how do we know she still wouldn't have gotten pregnant; as well as the underlying assumption by people that she should have just got an abortion.
But the point you're missing is that those who teach safe-sex also talk about the value of abstinence. As a matter of fact, any good teacher will lead with it.
The Evangelicals who talk about abstinence don't talk about the value of safe-sex (they tend to discount it all together), and that's how you get situations like the one we have here. No one's saying you shouldn't talk about absitnenece or that teaching safe-sex would have prevented the outcome in this case, but we are allowed to attack the policies of Governor Palin and use situtations like the one she's facing here as examples as to why her policies on abstinenece only are misguided.
That, my friend, is not off limits, and worthy of a debate without being disregarded as an unfair liberal attack.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:He was cleared of the charge because if you put a spotlight on any political stump speech, you're going to find plenty to poo-poo.
Originally posted by kosmo:btw, i just wanted to address this. . .i frankly don't know how he was cleared of this charge. slate has two (two!!!) articles on this, so i would perhaps direct you to them.
and biden was cleared of those plagiarism charges.
As these articles say, and then quickly gloss over, Biden repeatedly cited Kinnock when giving the speeches but neglected to in approximately 5 percent of the speeches he gave in that time period. The other charges are all based on a tsk-tsk level of nuance.
But if you really think this is relevant, go ahead and ignore the guy's decades of legislative work and accomplishments because he made a sloppy error 20+ years ago. That will reveal the depth of your convictions.
Originally posted by pdx pollard:well, according to her wiki, obama's mom got pregnant before she got married, and the wedding was a direct result of the pregnancy. . .you can "correct" me all you want, but the facts are still the same.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:i really dont give a shit about the point, just correcting your mistake, if her kid wants to have a kid, more power to her, doesnt make me think any more or less of Palin, her beliefs give me all I need to know about her
but, the point stays the same, no? even obama has noted that he was born to a teenage mother.
Originally posted by Relaxer:and, as the article notes, the stealing of kinnock's life story is only one part of biden's history. it points out a number of other discrepancies that biden made during that campaign, and that no one has bothered to check if he's done anything since.
But if you really think this is relevant, go ahead and ignore the guy's decades of legislative work and accomplishments because he made a sloppy error 20+ years ago. That will reveal the depth of your convictions.
and yes, by all means, let's not forget his landmark bankruptcy bill that got signed a few years ago that has been a boon to consumers. . it has been so succesful, that obama already wants to change it. but, of course, that is simply only one instance and one not worth noting.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:jesus christ, why do i bother, this board is fucking stupid these days, right so she was a mother as soon as conception I get it
well, according to her wiki, obama's mom got pregnant before she got married, and the wedding was a direct result of the pregnancy. . .you can "correct" me all you want, but the facts are still the same.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:so…thats a reason to vote for obama as mccain voted for it?
Originally posted by Relaxer:and, as the article notes, the stealing of kinnock's life story is only one part of biden's history. it points out a number of other discrepancies that biden made during that campaign, and that no one has bothered to check if he's done anything since.
But if you really think this is relevant, go ahead and ignore the guy's decades of legislative work and accomplishments because he made a sloppy error 20+ years ago. That will reveal the depth of your convictions.
and yes, by all means, let's not forget his landmark bankruptcy bill that got signed a few years ago that has been a boon to consumers. . it has been so succesful, that obama already wants to change it. but, of course, that is simply only one instance and one not worth noting.
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:does this help?
so…thats a reason to vote for obama as mccain voted for it?
Originally posted by vansmack:well said but i think the point will still be missed
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:For the record, I've never said she should have an abortion, but I'm not shy about saying she should at least have that option available to her should she want to choose it.
that maybe true, and it is certainly amusing to people. what i'm simply getting at is even with safe-sex education, how do we know she still wouldn't have gotten pregnant; as well as the underlying assumption by people that she should have just got an abortion.
But the point you're missing is that those who teach safe-sex also talk about the value of abstinence. As a matter of fact, any good teacher will lead with it.
The Evangelicals who talk about abstinence don't talk about the value of safe-sex (they tend to discount it all together), and that's how you get situations like the one we have here. No one's saying you shouldn't talk about absitnenece or that teaching safe-sex would have prevented the outcome in this case, but we are allowed to attack the policies of Governor Palin and use situtations like the one she's facing here as examples as to why her policies on abstinenece only are misguided.
That, my friend, is not off limits, and worthy of a debate without being disregarded as an unfair liberal attack.