once again the jokes write themselves...

Originally posted by pdx pollard:

Originally posted by manimtired:
i think they prefer "soft power" over getting killed. way to grasp the subject at hand.

thank god we have you to see in to the terrorist voters mind, because they totally got killed under Bush, remember that day Osama was killed, that was awesome

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dude, i am giddy with excitement to see manimtired's posts on November 5th. its gonna be so sweeet, sweet like socialism

Originally posted by very sonick:
dude, i am giddy with excitement to see manimtired's posts on November 5th. its gonna be so sweeet, sweet like socialism

part of me thinks somehow dems will find a way to blow it, kind of how red sox fans used to feel, so I will hold off on excitement, but I am sure his posts will be short either way

canadians wanting to choose the US president is like me wanting to pick the coach of the cowboys…even if i lived in dallas.

Originally posted by manimtired:
canadians wanting to choose the US president is like me wanting to pick the coach of the cowboys…even if i lived in dallas.

complete analogy fail.

i think its spot on. whats my analogy?

Originally posted by manimtired:
canadians wanting to choose the US president is like me wanting to pick the coach of the cowboys…even if i lived in dallas.

Look, its not only canadians, it's the whole world who wants the US to choose Obama as president. After 8 years of complete disaster in every major issue (except, I must say, AIDS fight in the world), everybody will welcome change in the White House.

Originally posted by sweetcell:

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
let's just say that while palin amusingly wonders what's the role of the vp, biden confidently declares that he knows what the role of the vp is and that it's part of the executive branch, except that it's not.

i'd rather have someone who has a valid but disputable interpretation, vs. someone who has no fucking clue at all. complete and her bit about using the office of VP to do good things for alaska further shows that she isn't ready for the national stage. personally, i don't find that amusing.

i thought the repubs were dead-set against learning on the job… oh, wait, that only applies to the other side.

you're so funny. . .

biden first- for someone who has claimed that he is an expert on the constitution and smarter than most people, i do find it funny that he is more often than not wrong on a number of things, the role and duties of the vp being one of them.

palin- i'm simply pointing out the discrepancy between criticising republicans for being obstinate, versus admitting when someone doesn't know something.

from the lack of consensus here on the board, it seems like a lot of people don't know what is the role of the vp.

sonick. . .while i did go to a private college, it certainly wasn't no fancy pants college. . .it was in texas, seersucker is about the fanciest pants you'll find. i was actually really conservative before going there, but being around religious conservatives, i realized that a lot of them couldn't think themselves out a paper bag. . .so, i moved towards the libertarians, who i also don't fully agree with, but the dems hold nothing of interest for me. so, here i am. . .stuck.

Originally posted by lagas:

Originally posted by manimtired:
canadians wanting to choose the US president is like me wanting to pick the coach of the cowboys…even if i lived in dallas.

Look, its not only canadians, it's the whole world who wants the US to choose Obama as president. After 8 years of complete disaster in every major issue (except, I must say, AIDS fight in the world), everybody will welcome change in the White House.

my analogy works with your post too!

Originally posted by manimtired:
i think its spot on. whats my analogy?

dude, it breaks down on so many levels. let's start with this: NO ONE chooses the cowboys head coach except cowboys management. the person who just moved to dallas doesn't choose him any more than a life-long resident.

the head coach's policy decisions have NO bearing on the populations freedom and well-being unless they choose to let it. head coach can't change tax policy, foreign policy, trade policy, etc etc etc.

shall i go on?

to recap: president of the usa not equal to football coach. "LOL."

Originally posted by manimtired:
canadians wanting to choose the US president is like me wanting to pick the coach of the cowboys…even if i lived in dallas.

well, careful slim, cause I have lived here for 14 years, I married an american woman, and on 2012, i'll be voting for Obama's re-election. :)

(see next post for clarification)_

Originally posted by lagas:
Look, its not only canadians, it's the whole world who wants the US to choose Obama as president. After 8 years of complete disaster in every major issue (except, I must say, AIDS fight in the world), everybody will welcome change in the White House.

there are at least two issues that should be addressed here- 1) i agree that there are a lot of people around the world who want obama to become president because he is viewed as more enlightened, and believe that his foreign policy will be different. . .i don't dispute that contention…

however, 2) i believe that trade will become a sticking point, and that an obama administration, coupled with a congress hell-bent on using populism to suck the life out of free-market capitalism, by throwing up trade barriers and insisting on unreasonable terms for trade treaties, will cause increased havoc. the world is heavily integrated (as friedman calls it, the world is flat), and as much as obama and congress would like to, we can't simply raise tariffs and block foreign trade because that's not how the world works anymore. free trade and agreements bringing down trade barriers are essential to the continued economic growth of not just the u.s., but of the rest of the world. and having obama threaten to pull out of NAFTA or attempt to re-negotiate NAFTA would be a terrible decision; whatever we think we can get, Canada and Mexico are more than happy to take something else away. As I posted yesterday, there is concern in India about trade, there is also concern in europe about trade. . .

of course, i dispute the contention that we should make our decisions based on what the world thinks- foreign intervention in american politics was a great concern of the founding fathers, and it is clear that it is still a concern today.

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:


sonick. . .while i did go to a private college, it certainly wasn't no fancy pants college. . .it was in texas, seersucker is about the fanciest pants you'll find. i was actually really conservative before going there, but being around religious conservatives, i realized that a lot of them couldn't think themselves out a paper bag. . .so, i moved towards the libertarians, who i also don't fully agree with, but the dems hold nothing of interest for me. so, here i am. . .stuck.

you are in the situation my wife is in, cept she came from the other side, she was very liberal (maybe thats why she fell for a socialist canadian boy) but as time has gone on (and she got a job with a finance company and got her MBA) she's been scolding the big government and economic policies (read: tax and spend) of the Democrats. Her moral values are still quite liberal but she's finding herself more and more torn.

She's not voting for Obama but is even less inclined to vote McCain and her preaching endlessly the need for any sort of 3rd party is wearing off on me.

also, while in the heat of the discussion it may come off that i am some sort of "fan" of Obama. its not true. I would choose him over McCain easily. but think hes a somewhat poor substitute for Clinton and generally his best quality is that i think he may very well change washington and our country. whether he makes it better or worse is abour 50-50 in my mind. But i'll just be excited to see something change.

Originally posted by sweetcell:

Originally posted by manimtired:
i think its spot on. whats my analogy?

dude, it breaks down on so many levels. let's start with this: NO ONE chooses the cowboys head coach except cowboys management. the person who just moved to dallas doesn't choose him any more than a life-long resident.

the head coach's policy decisions have NO bearing on the populations freedom and well-being unless they choose to let it. head coach can't change tax policy, foreign policy, trade policy, etc etc etc.

shall i go on?

to recap: president of the usa not equal to football coach. "LOL."

lol. i think you know what i was getting at..aka the US isnt canada's "home team" per say so why should i believe canadians would choose whats in the best interest of the US…

Originally posted by manimtired:
canadians wanting to choose the US president is like me wanting to pick the coach of the cowboys…even if i lived in dallas.

allow me to add something else. me, sweetcell and many other people who came here from somewhere else and are showing passion for our new home should make you happy. I know a lot of americans who simply dont give a shit, and thats the real sad part.

if you dont want to argue over what branch of government the vp is in doesnt mean you can treat your view as fact

Originally posted by manimtired:
lol. i think you know what i was getting at..aka the US isnt canada's "home team" per say so why should i believe canadians would choose whats in the best interest of the US…

you think me and sweetie are trying to sabotage your government?

Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
if you dont want to argue over what branch of government the vp is in doesnt mean you can treat your view as fact

except that it is. :p

except its not

times infinity!