Originally posted by Venerable Bede:Should he have sued them, denounced them, and then met with them?
maybe he shouldn't have said he wasn't going to do it or use such groups in the first place. . .
once again the jokes write themselves...
Originally posted by sweetcell:oh, perhaps you've forgotten that obama said he'd use public financing if the republican nominee agreed to public financing, which mccain said he would and obama knew it. guess what happened?
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:i don't get your first point. he's forgoing public financing, so he needs to work a little harder at raising cash since he can't let the national party do it for him. is this somehow different from what he said? i don't remember him saying anything about his campaign financing that would be "different". to me, it seems you're attacking something for being not "different" when he never said it would be different. it is, however, a tad worrying that his financing strategy isn't working out as well as he hoped it would.
once again, obama shows he's a different type of politician, running a different type of campaign. . .errr. . . maybe not. hey, i understand why he's doing it, but maybe he shouldn't have said he wasn't going to do it or use such groups in the first place. . .
as for the 527s, it just means that he's beginning to sink to the GOP's level. he's not as much better as the republicans as he claimed to be… but he's still better :D
like i said, i understand why he did it, but he shouldn't have said he wasn't going to do it in the first place.
as for the 527s, again, obama made clear that he didn't want to use them, but now that it's becoming bumpy, he's moving ahead with them. his campaign going into this election season was premised that he's a different type of politician, yet time and time again, he's proving that's he's just the same old type of politician.
Originally posted by vansmack:how dare you use a forbes.com article against me.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:Should he have sued them, denounced them, and then met with them?
maybe he shouldn't have said he wasn't going to do it or use such groups in the first place. . .
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:Uh, McCain did the exact same thing, and under the same pretenses. The only "Maverick" thing he did was to physically meet with them. Hell, even W was smart enough to send Dick.
as for the 527s, again, obama made clear that he didn't want to use them, but now that it's becoming bumpy, he's moving ahead with them. his campaign going into this election season was premised that he's a different type of politician, yet time and time again, he's proving that's he's just the same old type of politician.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:Come on…I used Wapo and Huffington as well.
how dare you use a forbes.com article against me.
No weak sauce here.
you know what joke doesnt write itself? lipstick on a pig…well at least not any longer
Talk about a huge misstep.
Yeah we all know what he meant by that comment and that McCain used it a few months ago but that won't stop McCain's people from pouncing on it repeatedly and using it between now and the election.
And…it'll work.
Yeah we all know what he meant by that comment and that McCain used it a few months ago but that won't stop McCain's people from pouncing on it repeatedly and using it between now and the election.
And…it'll work.
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
you know what joke doesnt write itself? lipstick on a pig…well at least not any longer
Originally posted by sweetcell:
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:Yeah, it's like deciding if you'd like herpes or just good old fashioned crabs.
[qb] he's not as much better as the republicans as he claimed to be… but he's still better :D
Originally posted by azaghal1981:i dont know, he may have overplayed his hand here. i'd come up with an ad right away along the lines of john mccain: so out of touch he doesnt even know what he's said
Talk about a huge misstep.
Yeah we all know what he meant by that comment and that McCain used it a few months ago but that won't stop McCain's people from pouncing on it repeatedly and using it between now and the election.
And…it'll work.
folks hate when you twist around country-ish phrases like that
Does anyone really give a f*ck about earmarks? Who presided over the policies that led to a $407 billion deficit AND that didn't even pay for a properly functioning government. That's real money.
Also, its telling that mccain and the president are trying so desperately to co-opt obama's ideas. Change. Transferring troops to afganistan. Chasing Bin Laden after all these years. They react . . . but don't act.
Obama should jump on the idea that McCain is embracing Change . . . and how that makes sense since he looks like he's changed from a so-called maverick to another rove-crafted neocon lobbyist.
Also, its telling that mccain and the president are trying so desperately to co-opt obama's ideas. Change. Transferring troops to afganistan. Chasing Bin Laden after all these years. They react . . . but don't act.
Obama should jump on the idea that McCain is embracing Change . . . and how that makes sense since he looks like he's changed from a so-called maverick to another rove-crafted neocon lobbyist.
Originally posted by azaghal1981:if america is going to vote because of crap like this, its no wonder why you guys pick shitty leaders.
Talk about a huge misstep.
Yeah we all know what he meant by that comment and that McCain used it a few months ago but that won't stop McCain's people from pouncing on it repeatedly and using it between now and the election.
And…it'll work.
Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
you know what joke doesnt write itself? lipstick on a pig…well at least not any longer
who cares why the dollar is in the pooper, lets just make sure our next president doesnt make any un-politically correct remarks!
dumb
Originally posted by very sonick:What do you mean "you guys"?
if america is going to vote because of crap like this, its no wonder why you guys pick shitty leaders.
Originally posted by azaghal1981:I agree with Gods Shoeshine on this one.
Talk about a huge misstep.
This is not John Kerry, who would let it fester for three days before a response.
"Spare me the phony outrage."
Perfect.
Originally posted by vansmack:Americans.
Originally posted by very sonick:What do you mean "you guys"?
if america is going to vote because of crap like this, its no wonder why you guys pick shitty leaders.
Originally posted by Arthwys:Washington post just ran a story saying precisely what I was saying a week ago.
There's one thing that I wonder about however. The female Republican base.
Immediately after watching Palin's speech in Ohio when she was first announced, I realized that she is going to be adored by every rural down home republican wife in the country. I have a hunch that there are a great deal of women out there in "America's heartland" that are die-hard about supporting their way of life. We're talking the part of the country that hunts, goes to church, farms, joins 4-H and FFA, and fills small towns everywhere from the mountains of Idaho to the swamps of Georgia. How many of these women that are social conservatives but have never been political going to up and vote this time simply because of Palin? I think it'll be a far from negligible number.
I'll admit I have no idea of stats on this demographic, whether most of them tend to vote or not, but I sense this could be huge. Beware the "hockey/soccer/football" moms of middle America.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/09/AR2008090903045_pf.html
Originally posted by vansmack:i have no doubt that he was not referring to palin with the lipstick on a pig any more than he was referring to mccain with the next line about an old fish.
Originally posted by azaghal1981:I agree with Gods Shoeshine on this one.
Talk about a huge misstep.
This is not John Kerry, who would let it fester for three days before a response.
"Spare me the phony outrage."
Perfect.
but. . .i think it's obvious obama should have chosen better metaphors, especially considering palin's lipstick line at the convention. and the republicans are gonna use it. . .the same way the dems would use any stupid off-the-cuff remark by any republican. . .macaca, anyone?
and we'll see if the mccain campaign overplayed. . .probably, but can't really tell right now.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:I'm not so sure it wasn't done intentionally.
i think it's obvious obama should have chosen better metaphors, especially considering palin's lipstick line at the convention.
Using a line that everyone knew would would spark controversy knowing full well that you had the defense of saying "Many Republicans have said the same thing..." to simply point out the hyper-sensitivity of the Republicans around the woman issue is not a bad play. Start pointing out the boy who cries wolf so that if there really is a wolf someday….
Obama's Response was perfect. It wasn't an apology, and it shouldn't have been.
But you're right, only time will tell if the Repubs over played their hand or the Obama response doesn't get the same air play tonight. But I think it will pay dividends later when Biden steps in it…
Oh, and Nancy Pfotenhauer is quickly becoming my replacement for Karl Rove on whatever list I have/had him on.
Originally posted by ixkpd-bk:paglia responds
Wrong woman, wrong message, indeed.
God, I love Gloria Steinem.
Originally posted by vansmack:are you saying that this is potentially a trap? surely he could have come up with something more clever.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:I'm not so sure it wasn't done intentionally.
i think it's obvious obama should have chosen better metaphors, especially considering palin's lipstick line at the convention.
Using a line that everyone knew would would spark controversy knowing full well that you had the defense of saying "Many Republicans have said the same thing..." to simply point out the hyper-sensitivity of the Republicans around the woman issue is not a bad play. Start pointing out the boy who cries wolf so that if there really is a wolf someday….
i just didnt realize that pitbulls were so easily offended