once again the jokes write themselves...

so I blog occasionally, and wrote a big thing on Palin, if anybody is curious to read it.

Originally posted by callat703:
so I blog occasionally, and wrote a big thing on Palin, if anybody is curious to read it.

Excellent blog post, I quite agree with a great deal of it. Extra points for being dispassionate and non-partisan in your analysis. There's one thing that I wonder about however. The female Republican base.

Immediately after watching Palin's speech in Ohio when she was first announced, I realized that she is going to be adored by every rural down home republican wife in the country. I have a hunch that there are a great deal of women out there in "America's heartland" that are die-hard about supporting their way of life. We're talking the part of the country that hunts, goes to church, farms, joins 4-H and FFA, and fills small towns everywhere from the mountains of Idaho to the swamps of Georgia. How many of these women that are social conservatives but have never been political going to up and vote this time simply because of Palin? I think it'll be a far from negligible number.

I'll admit I have no idea of stats on this demographic, whether most of them tend to vote or not, but I sense this could be huge. Beware the "hockey/soccer/football" moms of middle America.

all of this is really well and good but because of the electoral system it doesnt really matter much if every single person in Idaho and Georgia vote for McCain. Its all about states and if McCain cant find a way to gain a hold of the upper midwest AND florida while making sure he doesnt lose any of the square states (New Mexico or Colorado mainly) which are normally red, its gonna be a long November 4th for him.

popular vote just doesnt matter.

This joke just wrote itself.

LOL @ Carat!

Originally posted by very sonick:
is it me or does Palini look like Tina Fey?

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THANK YOU! I've been thinking JUST THAT since I heard of this lady.

Originally posted by manimtired:
it was that you libs are not "elated" by the choice of Palin but rather are a little nervous about it. LoL

I was a little nervous about it at first, because I assumed McCain's people vetted her properly, and it seemed a clever pick. And then all the details of her unsavory past and present started trickling out.

Now I'm more nervous that McCain might ditch her quickly and pick someone qualified, in which case her cloud of scandals and inexperience will be long-forgotten by election day.

ps - Tina Fey = much hotter

Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:

ps - Tina Fey = much hotter [/QB]

sure is

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Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:

Originally posted by manimtired:
it was that you libs are not "elated" by the choice of Palin but rather are a little nervous about it. LoL

I was a little nervous about it at first, because I assumed McCain's people vetted her properly, and it seemed a clever pick. And then all the details of her unsavory past and present started trickling out.


Now I'm more nervous that McCain might ditch her quickly and pick someone qualified, in which case her cloud of scandals and inexperience will be long-forgotten by election day.

ps - Tina Fey = much hotter

unsavory past? weather underground associations, rev. wright, rezko, plagerism…ill take our tickets unsavory past over the dems ticket any day.

Based on the limited exposure I've seen on Palin via CSPAN she comes off as a intelligent well spoken individual. However, based on whats been uncovered on her she is also lacking in common sense, isn't very worldly and probably raised in a very insular environment.

She will probably preform well in the debates and clearly has lots of poise. Of course the debates are pretty pointless at this point, as candidates rarely directly answer the question asked. Just find some why to spew their normally rhetoric.

She's a puppet under the control of neo-conservatives who will make damn sure she stays on message for the next few months. Those same neo-cons who are causing life long moderate conservatives who routinely voted Republicans, like my dad, to potential vote for another candidate.

Having neo-conservatives values is hardly a primary qualification to be the VP who is potentially a half-heartbeat away from being the president. Can you imagine what the rest of the free world would make of someone who thinks Creationism should be taught in schools?

Originally posted by kosmo:
life long moderate conservatives who routinely voted Republicans, like my dad, to potential vote for another candidate.

My dad voted for Bush twice and can't bring himself to vote Repug again… he's going for Obama.

There are a whole lot of intelligent Republicans who don't believe that a modern country should teach the Creation myth as "science" in its schools. McCain, who is loathed by the right wing "base," had a chance to broaden the party's appeal and seize it back from the fundies. He's blown it with Mrs. Wouldn't-Talk-to-Her-Daughter-About-Condoms.

Originally posted by manimtired:
unsavory past? weather underground associations, rev. wright, rezko, plagerism…ill take our tickets unsavory past over the dems ticket any day.

oh please the whole rev. wright association is so overblown…. being critical of the US from the pulpit is called freedom of speech, it only got more attention because of the fiery nature of it's delivery.

Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:

Originally posted by kosmo:
life long moderate conservatives who routinely voted Republicans, like my dad, to potential vote for another candidate.

My dad voted for Bush twice and can't bring himself to vote Repug again… he's going for Obama.

There are a whole lot of intelligent Republicans who don't believe that a modern country should teach the Creation myth as "science" in its schools. McCain, who is loathed by the right wing "base," had a chance to broaden the party's appeal and seize it back from the fundies. He's blown it with Mrs. Wouldn't-Talk-to-Her-Daughter-About-Condoms.

my uncle, another longtime Republican, is livid about about what Bush has done to this country. so much so he actually considered pulling together money from other liked minded contacts, in order to run an ad critical of bush in the new york times.

Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:

Originally posted by kosmo:
life long moderate conservatives who routinely voted Republicans, like my dad, to potential vote for another candidate.

My dad voted for Bush twice and can't bring himself to vote Repug again… he's going for Obama.

it is at this point where a viable third party would be helpful. while it was conceivable that i wouldn't vote for mccain (namely if he picked romney), there was no way in hell that i would ever vote for obama. that leaves me with bob barr or whatever comes of this ron paul convention, and i simply disagree with them on a number of other issues. in other words, the democratic party and obama is not a viable alternative for what i believe in. now, i know vansmack will tell me that the republican party doesn't represent what i believe in either, which is a fair point, but i am simply not a democrat.

don't blame me… I voted John Anderson in 1980

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:

Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:

Originally posted by kosmo:
life long moderate conservatives who routinely voted Republicans, like my dad, to potential vote for another candidate.

My dad voted for Bush twice and can't bring himself to vote Repug again… he's going for Obama.

it is at this point where a viable third party would be helpful. while it was conceivable that i wouldn't vote for mccain (namely if he picked romney), there was no way in hell that i would ever vote for obama. that leaves me with bob barr or whatever comes of this ron paul convention, and i simply disagree with them on a number of other issues. in other words, the democratic party and obama is not a viable alternative for what i believe in. now, i know vansmack will tell me that the republican party doesn't represent what i believe in either, which is a fair point, but i am simply not a democrat.

A third party will never win in this country, and therefore will only serve as a spoiler in elections.

The real answer is to infiltrate the Republican Party and take it back from the religious zealots. Republicans once advocated an approach of small government, fiscal responsibility, and minimal international interventionism, and relative libertarianist instincts with regards to personal issues. It is hard to imagine anything further from that than the modern Republicans.

The Democrats have their issues too, of course, but at least they are not dependent on a base of wild-eyed slackjaws.

Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
A third party will never win in this country, and therefore will only serve as a spoiler in elections.

The real answer is to infiltrate the Republican Party and take it back from the religious zealots. Republicans once advocated an approach of small government, fiscal responsibility, and minimal international interventionism, and relative libertarianist instincts with regards to personal issues. It is hard to imagine anything further from that than the modern Republicans.

The Democrats have their issues too, of course, but at least they are not dependent on a base of wild-eyed slackjaws. [/QB]

see, that's elitist and certainly doesn't help anyone. :)

what's funny is that except for the interventionist part, i think that's predominately what mccain (and palin) stand for. where we get all messed up is where they stand on social issues.

but i do certainly agree with your characterization of the republican party of yore. . .although, the minimal interventionist policies (I take that to mean military) have gone out the window since that also aligns itself with economic protectionism, which i adamantly oppose (and is why i'm not a Libertarian, with a big L). it was much easier to have limited involvement with the rest of the world when it took some time to cross those oceans.

Originally posted by Arthwys:

Originally posted by callat703:
so I blog occasionally, and wrote a big thing on Palin, if anybody is curious to read it.

Excellent blog post, I quite agree with a great deal of it. Extra points for being dispassionate and non-partisan in your analysis.

Thanks!

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:

Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
but at least they are not dependent on a base of wild-eyed slackjaws.

see, that's elitist and certainly doesn't help anyone. :)
[/QB]

I actually don't think it's elitist, given that I think religious fanatics (what I call slackjaws) are a minority, just such a vocal and well-organized one that they are treated as a majority.

I think one of the biggest social problems facing our world today is ignorance-based religious fanaticism. Whether that's Christian fundamentalism in the US, or the Taliban in Afghanistan. They all feed off the same fears and have similar goals.