once again the jokes write themselves...
where in the hell is GGW?
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:what point are you making exactly?
When Obama came to South Chicago, he believed in community organizing; within two-and-a-half years--by the time he and Jerry Kellman went for their late October walk around Harvard's campus--he was clearly growing disillusioned. Now, having fashioned a political identity in near-total opposition to the core principles of his one-time profession, Obama's bid for the presidency may come down to this: Is he willing to rediscover--and put into practice--one of the main principles he followed as a twentysomething activist all those years ago?
Originally posted by pdx pollard:it's not my point, it's the new republic's point. geez, it's not like i linked to a weekly standard article.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:what point are you making exactly?
When Obama came to South Chicago, he believed in community organizing; within two-and-a-half years--by the time he and Jerry Kellman went for their late October walk around Harvard's campus--he was clearly growing disillusioned. Now, having fashioned a political identity in near-total opposition to the core principles of his one-time profession, Obama's bid for the presidency may come down to this: Is he willing to rediscover--and put into practice--one of the main principles he followed as a twentysomething activist all those years ago?
that and i found it to be an interesting take on his community organizing experience. . .
i know it was the articles point, but normally when you post a snippet of an article you are responding to something, i read the entire article and did not understand which part you were focusing on, i think its a pretty flattering portrait
Originally posted by pdx pollard:geez. . .touchy, aren't we?
i know it was the articles point, but normally when you post a snippet of an article you are responding to something, i read the entire article and did not understand which part you were focusing on, i think its a pretty flattering portrait
like i can't link to an article that is interesting and, while it is a generally favorable portrait, it does note obama's changing view on his community organizer experience. just how much did it shape his underlying beliefs and how he has backed away from earlier assertions that relied heavily on it.
what about my response was touchy? seriously i was curious because after reading the whole thing i didnt get which part you were posting it for
as far as changing views, i dont think his views on community organizing are what is important, what important is that he has that experience and made choices in his life based on that
as far as changing views, i dont think his views on community organizing are what is important, what important is that he has that experience and made choices in his life based on that
We really should get a drink at some point, the three of us.
It would be just like old times…
It would be just like old times…
Originally posted by pdx pollard:oh, and it didn't appear that he was a terribly successful community organizer. . .plus, it just reinforces the position that he isn't anything but a politician. that, i think, is one take-away that can be made from that article. in order to "change" whatever he thinks needs to be change, he'd have to become a politican. hell, fred thompson said substantially the same thing on the tonight show.
what about my response was touchy? seriously i was curious because after reading the whole thing i didnt get which part you were posting it for
as far as changing views, i dont think his views on community organizing are what is important, what important is that he has that experience and made choices in his life based on that
why must you assume i'm always going to be negative? just because i think obama is a socialist and is more than willing to do and say anything to get himself elected, doesn't mean i don't think there are admirable traits and experiences. after all, he does come from a broken home, and we know how hard that can be.
i took the exact opposite away from it than you did on him being a politician, he became a politician for reasons other than the glory, he saw a problem as a community organizer and thought the solution to fixing that problem was through politics
most people dont become a small businessman or whatever else is GOP approved to make change, well at least not the kind of change we are talking about
i wish he was a socialist, but its a pretty ridiculous notion that he is
most people dont become a small businessman or whatever else is GOP approved to make change, well at least not the kind of change we are talking about
i wish he was a socialist, but its a pretty ridiculous notion that he is
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:or this article written six weeks earlier that unfortunately got glossed over because of the controversial cover. personally, i like that obama better than the change zombie he had to be to beat hillary.
it just reinforces the position that he isn't anything but a politician. that, i think, is one take-away that can be made from that article.
Originally posted by kosmo:Forget Biden. I wanna see Palin debate Tina Fey.
apparently Palin isn't going on interview shows… can you imagine her on the Daily Show, it would be even more hilarious if she were on Colbert show…
Originally posted by pdx pollard:amen to that. you americans dont know a real socialist from squat.
i wish he was a socialist, but its a pretty ridiculous notion that he is
if he was really socialist…you might call him……a CANADIAN!!!!! :)
Originally posted by twangirl:No shit…
where in the hell is GGW?
Originally posted by very sonick:
[qb]amen to that. you americans dont know a real socialist from squat.What's the difference between a Hockey Dad and a Pit Bull?
if he was really socialist…you might call him……a CANADIAN!!!!! :) [qb]
SOCIALISM!! HAHAHA . . . . uhhh, get it?
Originally posted by BookerT:I think friday's episode should be required watching for anyone who accuses the Dems of being flip floppers on issues and watch the segment where mccain acceptence speech parrots bush's acceptence speech…
Originally posted by very sonick:probably the best TDS segment in a long while. just great stuff.
i dont watch Comedy Central cause it doesnt come in HD so i get everything late…in case you're in the same boat…this made me laugh this morning
linq
must see link
Originally posted by vansmack:it appears that palin agrees.
But the point you're missing is that those who teach safe-sex also talk about the value of abstinence. As a matter of fact, any good teacher will lead with it.
i think we can put this thing to rest.
Well of course she would agree, now. You know, after both she and her daughter were knocked up, premaritally.
I wonder if John fucked Cindy without a condom when he was cheating on his crippled first wife?
I wonder if John fucked Cindy without a condom when he was cheating on his crippled first wife?
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by vansmack:it appears that palin agrees.
But the point you're missing is that those who teach safe-sex also talk about the value of abstinence. As a matter of fact, any good teacher will lead with it.
i think we can put this thing to rest.
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:That is good to hear and I was pointing out flaws in Evangelicals more so than Gov Palin, so let's not be to quick to put this one to rest. The Evangelical's have a long way to go on this argument.
it appears that palin agrees.
i think we can put this thing to rest.
I'll have to find the link, but I was referring to when I pointed out the policies of Gov Palin were amounts of money Alaska appopriated for abstinence-until-marriage programs being substantially more than she appropriated for other safe-sex based programs. You, of all people, should understand the "what you say" vs. "what you do" argument - it's the core of your problems with the Republican party (and presumably Senator Obama as well based your comments in this thread).
Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:someone seems cranky. did you just read the polls or something?
Well of course she would agree, now. You know, after both she and her daughter were knocked up, premaritally.
I wonder if John fucked Cindy without a condom when he was cheating on his crippled first wife?
Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
Originally posted by vansmack:it appears that palin agrees.
But the point you're missing is that those who teach safe-sex also talk about the value of abstinence. As a matter of fact, any good teacher will lead with it.
i think we can put this thing to rest.