once again the jokes write themselves...

Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/03/peggy-noonan-mike-murphy_n_123647.html

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Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
I actually don't think it's elitist, given that I think religious fanatics (what I call slackjaws) are a minority, just such a vocal and well-organized one that they are treated as a majority. [/QB]

and, i'm not at all surprised by your response.

Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:

Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:

Originally posted by kosmo:
life long moderate conservatives who routinely voted Republicans, like my dad, to potential vote for another candidate.

My dad voted for Bush twice and can't bring himself to vote Repug again… he's going for Obama.

it is at this point where a viable third party would be helpful. while it was conceivable that i wouldn't vote for mccain (namely if he picked romney), there was no way in hell that i would ever vote for obama. that leaves me with bob barr or whatever comes of this ron paul convention, and i simply disagree with them on a number of other issues. in other words, the democratic party and obama is not a viable alternative for what i believe in. now, i know vansmack will tell me that the republican party doesn't represent what i believe in either, which is a fair point, but i am simply not a democrat.

A third party will never win in this country, and therefore will only serve as a spoiler in elections.

The real answer is to infiltrate the Republican Party and take it back from the religious zealots. Republicans once advocated an approach of small government, fiscal responsibility, and minimal international interventionism, and relative libertarianist instincts with regards to personal issues. It is hard to imagine anything further from that than the modern Republicans.

The Democrats have their issues too, of course, but at least they are not dependent on a base of wild-eyed slackjaws.

Funny thing is, taking back the Republican party from the evangelical neo-cons is precisely what Ron Paul was all about. What he continues to be all about. Unfortunately, Paul himself is
not a good speaker, he handles interviews terribly, and he was too gung ho about emphasizing small government goals that were years if not decades away from being achievable. Hence he came off looking like a loon.

The Ron Paul phenomenon is part of why I'm more likely to vote 3rd party this year. There's a sizable minority out there that can be tapped to start a bit of a political uprising and perhaps even form a political party that is more Republican in the old school sense. Non-interventionist, limited government, fiscal responsibility, personal freedoms emphasized (which means gay marriage and abortion legal).

Political parties do change in America, where has the Whig party gone for example? Also, Prior to the 60's the south was known as the "solid south" and voted overwhelmingly Democrat. Republican party was party of Lincoln and freeing of the slaves. What turned the whole south red was LBJ and his "great society" reforms going horribly awry, together with his presiding over quite a lot of the desegregation and civil rights movements. White southerners deserted the Dems in droves and that's how the Republicans got saddled with the crazy evangelicals.

Originally posted by manimtired:

Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:

Originally posted by manimtired:
it was that you libs are not "elated" by the choice of Palin but rather are a little nervous about it. LoL

I was a little nervous about it at first, because I assumed McCain's people vetted her properly, and it seemed a clever pick. And then all the details of her unsavory past and present started trickling out.


Now I'm more nervous that McCain might ditch her quickly and pick someone qualified, in which case her cloud of scandals and inexperience will be long-forgotten by election day.

ps - Tina Fey = much hotter

unsavory past? weather underground associations, rev. wright, rezko, plagerism…ill take our tickets unsavory past over the dems ticket any day.

you are so concerned with unsavory pasts and associations and yet you voted for a president whose brother was involved in a collapsed savings and loan that cost the US taxpayers One Billion dollars to bail out. the same savings and loan scandal that mccain was involved as part of the Keating Five.

and biden was cleared of those plagiarism charges.

third parties need in part to develop at the grass roots level in order to make in roads into the political landscape…. however, given the way districts are drawn these days and the political machines created by both sides, the chances of a third party candidate winning a seat in the house of representative is slim to nil. the same applies to some extent to county politics, local school boards,etc… depressing actually…

weather underground..would you like to speak on obamas relationship with ayers? or is that just blown out of proportion too?

Originally posted by manimtired:
weather underground..would you like to speak on obamas relationship with ayers? or is that just blown out of proportion too?

is he still a member of the weather underground?

Seems to me that there's a pretty big difference between someone who knows someone who was in the Weather Underground, decades ago, and someone who was, herself, a member of a secessionist group within recent memory.

I can't wait until they dig up any writings or statements she may have made during her time with that group… that'll be interesting…

given her gun fetishism I bet she has ties to the militia movement as well…

in 2001 on 9/11 he said "2004 interview, "How do you feel about what you did? Would you do it again under similar circumstances?" He replied Iâ??ve thought about this a lot. Being almost 60, itâ??s impossible to not have lots and lots of regrets about lots and lots of things, but the question of did we do something that was horrendous, awful? … I donâ??t think so. I think what we did was to respond to a situation that was unconscionable."…but ya, i guess he decided that was a bad org to be in as a college professor. so did he quit? did he denounce the actions of the WG?

also…everyone tune into MSNBC (fox news is so bias!!!!!) to watch the response to palins speech.

So I'm sitting here watching Rudy and think I need to vomit…..

Originally posted by manimtired:
also…everyone tune into MSNBC (fox news is so bias!!!!!) to watch the response to palins speech.

I don't think anyone here would argue with you that Olberman is essentially the liberal equivalent of O'Reilly (minus the beligerent personality plus about 50 IQ points).

Oh and Pat Buchanan and Joe Scarborough aren't exactly leftists.

no but you dont see oreilly on actual news casts (daily)..only on his editorial show. not the same on msnbc. and i admit fox has a hard right bias…lefties just cant admit the same about other channels.

home run for conservatives…are you guys as giddy as me??!!??!

She's doing a lot better than I thought she would; I'll give you that.


She's also stretching/bending/breaking the truth here and there but that's about par for the course.


And yes, MSNBC does have more of a liberal slant over all. It was only a matter of time before a network capitalized on that market.

Originally posted by manimtired:
weather underground..would you like to speak on obamas relationship with ayers? or is that just blown out of proportion too?

Obama was 8 years old. I know, I know, kids can be such trouble at that age….

Really, you've run out of straws to grasp when the last thing you've got is the Weather Underground thing. No, this isn't an epic failing on your part. It's just pathetic. You're not even trying anymore.

obama wasnt a cohort of his when he was 8 years old ..

It's cool that the Republican base has now fully and enthusiastically rallied behind Palin… it'll help ensure that as she crashes and burns over the coming weeks, they won't be able to cut themselves loose from her in time to save the election.

just like 2000 and 2004. olberman seems as giddy as 703…

So after watching bits and pieces of it again, I think she really got only one point across.


"I can be just as much of a dirty pandering politician as my runningmate."