once again the jokes write themselves...

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:

so, you think that obama promising to renegotiate NAFTA was a lie? wow. . .color me shocked. . .just another broken promise. change you can believe in!

i never heard him promise to renegotiate NAFTA and furthermore, i said he wouldnt pull out of it. you're twisting again.

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
the vp has ZERO executive powers, his sole duty is to replace the president either when the president dies or is declared incapacitated; as president of the senate (a legislative title), he is the presiding officer and shall cast any tie-breaking vote. . .

aside: cheney seems to have a different interpretation of what the VP does. cheney having his own special interpretation of the constitution - shocking!

aside over, back to chatter about and around the '08 election.

Originally posted by very sonick:

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:

so, you think that obama promising to renegotiate NAFTA was a lie? wow. . .color me shocked. . .just another broken promise. change you can believe in!

i never heard him promise to renegotiate NAFTA and furthermore, i said he wouldnt pull out of it. you're twisting again.

from the globe and mail:

Mr. Obama agreed with Ms. Clinton's stand. â??I will make sure that we renegotiate in the same way that Senator Clinton talked about,â? he said. â??I think, actually, Senator Clinton's answer on this one is right. I think we should use the hammer of a potential opt-out as leverage.

now, what did Clinton say?

â??I'm confident that as president, when I say we will opt out unless we renegotiate, that we will be able to renegotiate,â? Ms. Clinton said.

according to the hill, obama reiterated his plan to renegotiate NAFTA (along with passing union card check legislation, which is terrible in its own right).

as stephen harper noted: "Canada is the United States' No. 1 supplier of energy. We are a secure and stable supplier," he said, standing at a lecturn next to Bush and Calderon.

Canada exported some 2.4 million barrels of oil a day in 2007 to the United States, worth about $55 billion. Along with natural gas and electricity exports, Canada is the largest foreign source of energy for the American market.

"That is of critical importance to the future of the United States," said Harper.

"And if we had to look at this kind of a (renegotiation) option, I think quite frankly, you know, we would be in an even stronger position now than we were 20 years ago. And we'll be in a stronger position in the future."

more from harper: "If any American government ever chose to make the mistake of opening [NAFTA], we would have something we would want to talk about as well."

Originally posted by sweetcell:

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
the vp has ZERO executive powers, his sole duty is to replace the president either when the president dies or is declared incapacitated; as president of the senate (a legislative title), he is the presiding officer and shall cast any tie-breaking vote. . .

aside: cheney seems to have a different interpretation of what the VP does. cheney having his own special interpretation of the constitution - shocking!

aside over, back to chatter about and around the '08 election.

correct. . .and cheney's interpretation of the role of the vp is the issue, since he basically used legal protections afforded to legislative offices (which historically has included the office of the vp) to cover work associated with executive decision-making (a violation of the separation of powers). i think where shoeshine and i ended up is that we both agreed the vp can't be both, they can only be one or the other- i say the vp is legislative, he says the vp is executive; but we both agreed that biden was wrong in his explanation.

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
correct. . .and cheney's interpretation of the role of the vp is the issue, since he basically used legal protections afforded to legislative offices (which historically has included the office of the vp) to cover work associated with executive decision-making (a violation of the separation of powers). i think where shoeshine and i ended up is that we both agreed the vp can't be both, they can only be one or the other- i say the vp is legislative, he says the vp is executive; but we both agreed that biden was wrong in his explanation.

yes, this is true

i guess al queda had a change of heart.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE49T76620081030?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

are they using reverse psychology again

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Originally posted by manimtired:
i guess al queda had a change of heart.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE49T76620081030?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

Obviously, some of them are Dems, some are Repubs.

Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
are they using reverse psychology again

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
biden confidently declares that he knows what the role of the vp is and that it's part of the executive branch, except that it's not.

Cheney disagrees with you. He has often cited his executive privilege to deny congressional information requests.

Originally posted by Bags:

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
biden confidently declares that he knows what the role of the vp is and that it's part of the executive branch, except that it's not.

Cheney disagrees with you. He has often cited his executive privilege to deny congressional information requests.

see above. . .we've already gone over this.

Hey Bede! Apparently Nick Kristof reads this forum and wrote a column for you:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/30/opinion/30kristof.html

<img src="http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/political-pictures-barack-obama-change.jpg" alt=" - " />

the AP is reporting

"Joe The Plumber Hires Eddie Money's Publicity Team, Eyes Book"

guess they only handout development deals to b-list and above instacelebrites… books deals for the rest :roll:

Eddie Money has put out two albums of original material in the last 20 years. Hope Joe the Plumber is equally prolific in his book writing and country music career.

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:

Originally posted by Bags:

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
biden confidently declares that he knows what the role of the vp is and that it's part of the executive branch, except that it's not.

Cheney disagrees with you. He has often cited his executive privilege to deny congressional information requests.

see above. . .we've already gone over this.

Sorry…I can't get through this whole thread all at once and answer as i read (which is in dribs and drabs, obviously!)…I'll shut up for the balance…

you dont have to shut up bags, bede is just getting a bit worked up.

i'm just flabbergasted by this latest Palin assertion… not only is this pandering beyond belief but just completely wrong..

the gist of is that she can't be criticized by the press because of how she is campaigning, never mind that a free press is a basic premise of the first amendment.

Palin: First Amendment Rights Threatened By Criticism

In a conservative radio interview that aired in Washington, D.C. Friday morning, Republican vice presidential nominee Gov. Sarah Palin said she fears her First Amendment rights may be threatened by "attacks" from reporters who suggest she is engaging in a negative campaign against Barack Obama.


Palin told WMAL-AM that her criticism of Obama's associations, like those with 1960s radical Bill Ayers and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, should not be considered negative attacks. Rather, for reporters or columnists to suggest that it is going negative may constitute an attack that threatens a candidate's free speech rights under the Constitution, Palin said.

"If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations," Palin told host Chris Plante, "then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media."

Salon's Glenn Greenwald explains why this argument is frighteningly wrong:

If anything, Palin has this exactly backwards, since one thing that the First Amendment does actually guarantee is a free press. Thus, when the press criticizes a political candidate and a Governor such as Palin, that is a classic example of First Amendment rights being exercised, not abridged.


This isn't only about profound ignorance regarding our basic liberties, though it is obviously that. Palin here is also giving voice here to the standard right-wing grievance instinct: that it's inherently unfair when they're criticized. And now, apparently, it's even unconstitutional.

According to Palin, what the Founders intended with the First Amendment was that political candidates for the most powerful offices in the country and Governors of states would be free to say whatever they want without being criticized in the newspapers. The First Amendment was meant to ensure that powerful political officials would not be "attacked" in the papers. It is even possible to imagine more breathaking ignorance from someone holding high office and running for even higher office?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/31/palin-criticism-threatens_n_139729.html

So how badly are the Republicans going to get smacked down tomorrow?

Can I start gloating now?

Where's Manimtired?

right here