Belly up, fired, and retired

Fair.

But republicans seize on it cause Democrats just talk about it too much and they know they got us against the wall on it. Like here we are. Just say we stand for equal rights for everyone and try to leave it there. Then once you win the election take action to ensure equal protection (although not sure what the approach would be to some aspects about trans rights like athletics). Honestly I leave that to someone else.

It’s not going to help trans people if republicans keep winning. Did it help Gaza that Trump won? Sorry NKOTB, you can’t convince me republicans and democrats are the same. That dog don’t hunt.

Space wrote:

hutch wrote:
NKOTB just doesn’t get it.

Sure he does. He thinks I'm a racist piece of shit because I don't think humans born with a penis should be allowed to participate in girl's track and field. He also thinks my daughter is a racist piece of shit because it makes her uncomfortable to share a bathroom with a human who has a penis.

I think one or both of you don’t understand the meaning of the word ’racist’.

And I'm saying its literally not a tent pole of the party! Who are these democrats that have made trans rights the main part of their platform?  Not a single one, so saying it's somehow hurting them to focus on it misses the bigger point that the party has entirely left the working class to the meat grinder. 

SeriousSideFX wrote:
I think what he was saying is the support for trans rights is there in the Dem party, but it doesn't have to be a tent pole of the party

Silly, I think that makes you transphobic.  You were racist for other stuff.

Space wrote:
Sure he does. He thinks I'm a racist piece of shit because I don't think humans born with a penis should be allowed to participate in girl's track and field. He also thinks my daughter is a racist piece of shit because it makes her uncomfortable to share a bathroom with a human who has a penis.

But that's the point! The only democrats that are mentioning it ARE PARROTING RIGHT WING TALKING POINTS.

hutch wrote:
But republicans seize on it cause Democrats just talk about it too much and they know they got us against the wall on it.

hutch wrote:
There are plenty of examples in American politics of politicians who did things once in power that people didn’t necessarily agree with or expect. It’s called leadership.

like, for example, the current admin.

hutch wrote:
It’s called leadership.

no it's not

You’ve lost all touch on reality. You’re basing your point on the last few months - post Trump win- instead of years of democrats talking about this while refusing to talk about inflation or immigration.

And to trash Gavin, the only democrat in 9 years to deal with Trump correctly, at this point in time just shows how out of touch with reality you are. Gavin the last few weeks has been a master class. If it wasn’t for him the current Democratic Party would be dead. Pete and Bernie have great things to say but have made zero inroads against Trump.

sweetcell wrote:

hutch wrote:
There are plenty of examples in American politics of politicians who did things once in power that people didn’t necessarily agree with or expect. It’s called leadership.

like, for example, the current admin.

hutch wrote:
It’s called leadership.

no it's not

Oh right nobody expected this from Trump…it’s been a shocker. He has really lost his base.

Sure it’s leadership. You get elected, take the lead on an issue and get the American to follow you. If that’s not leadership. A great example is JFK-LBJ on civil rights. And there are plenty others.

There is a difference between politics and governing.

Politics is about getting elected. Governing is about doing and not doing things. Politics and governing are related but not the same. You need to win to govern though…So it’s all about winning.

posting meme's cranked out by his press team is not dealing with trump….  remember how many fell for Fetterman, myself included and look how that turned out?

JB Pritzker at least on the surface is showing empathy towards all and is prepared to deal with trump's bs, where as newsom is out there crowing about dealing with homeless encampments among other things.

So who are those democrats?  Who put trans rights above all other talking points and lost an election? 

This shit is like Defund the Police all over again.  Everyone is so certain that this cost Dems elections but no one can point to a) democrats that actually put for this policy as the focus on their campaign that b) lost an election. 

hutch wrote:
You’ve lost all touch on reality. You’re basing your point on the last few months - post Trump win- instead of years of democrats talking about this while refusing to talk about inflation or immigration.

Libs also can't vocalize at all, how Newsom is "fighting trump" outside of doing some tweets and selling merch.  IT's fucking laughable, man.  Like, don't you want your politicians to do something?  Or just fucking talk?

hutch wrote:

And to trash Gavin, the only democrat in 9 years to deal with Trump correctly, at this point in time just shows how out of touch with reality you are. Gavin the last few weeks has been a master class. If it wasn’t for him the current Democratic Party would be dead. Pete and Bernie have great things to say but have made zero inroads against Trump.

Gavin is the one doing something on gerrymandering


You are a joke. Am out on this. Enjoy your delusions….

As is Wes Moore….

Is "tent pole" a metaphor for something a trans man may need?

I'm betting you're not!

hutch wrote:
Am out on this.

hutch wrote:
Oh right nobody expected this from Trump…it’s been a shocker. He has really lost his base.

tell that to the farmer about to lose his farm, or the guy who's wife was deported because she had a misdemeanor 12 years ago and ICE went after her instead of actual criminals as promised…

Planta Cocina

https://www.popville.com/2025/09/planta-cocina-p-street-closed-dc-logan-circle/

Why do restaurants close in this sudden manner? It’s a shitty thing to do to your staff and it’s weird.

hutch wrote:
Why do restaurants close in this sudden manner? It’s a shitty thing to do to your staff and it’s weird.

because a restaurant owner/operator/manager has to.  restaurants open and close every week, the restaurant biz is very transient.  anyone who makes a career working on the floor - cooks/chefs, waiters, kitchen staff, bartenders, cleaners, etc. - needs to be transient as well.  they have to look out for themselves because their bosses aren't.  as soon as they hear that their current employer isn't doing well, they immediately start looking for their next employer.  they don't go down with the ship, they cut bait ASAP. 

so an owner/operator/manager can never let on that things aren't going well.  they need to maintain a facade of "everything is fine" until the last second, otherwise their staff will leave you and they'll be forced to shut down not by creditors, but by the lack of people on the floor.  the rumor that you might shut down will shut you down.  it's shitty, but it's the nature of the biz.  bourdain goes into this in kitchen confidential (a great read, if you haven't already). 

(also, back in college i i was lucky enough to get hired at a shmancy french restaurant in toronto's theater district so i experienced this dynamic first-hand.  i was a kid who didn't belong there in the first place, so i was grateful just to have the gig.  the lifers, on the other hand, would always have feelers out for which other joints were doing good/better and someone would inevitably leave as soon as sales slumped for more than a week - they didn't wait for the pink slip.)

so, agreed that it's shitty and weird, but the alternative is to be transparent and lose everyone as soon as things aren't perfect. 

Caitlin Clark, for the rest of this season

sweetcell wrote:

hutch wrote:
Why do restaurants close in this sudden manner? It’s a shitty thing to do to your staff and it’s weird.

because a restaurant owner/operator/manager has to.  restaurants open and close every week, the restaurant biz is very transient.  anyone who makes a career working on the floor - cooks/chefs, waiters, kitchen staff, bartenders, cleaners, etc. - needs to be transient as well.  they have to look out for themselves because their bosses aren't.  as soon as they hear that their current employer isn't doing well, they immediately start looking for their next employer.  they don't go down with the ship, they cut bait ASAP. 

so an owner/operator/manager can never let on that things aren't going well.  they need to maintain a facade of "everything is fine" until the last second, otherwise their staff will leave you and they'll be forced to shut down not by creditors, but by the lack of people on the floor.  the rumor that you might shut down will shut you down.  it's shitty, but it's the nature of the biz.  bourdain goes into this in kitchen confidential (a great read, if you haven't already). 

(also, back in college i i was lucky enough to get hired at a shmancy french restaurant in toronto's theater district so i experienced this dynamic first-hand.  i was a kid who didn't belong there in the first place, so i was grateful just to have the gig.  the lifers, on the other hand, would always have feelers out for which other joints were doing good/better and someone would inevitably leave as soon as sales slumped for more than a week - they didn't wait for the pink slip.)

so, agreed that it's shitty and weird, but the alternative is to be transparent and lose everyone as soon as things aren't perfect.

There you go again with reason….