The MLB Thread

stevewizzle wrote:
dodgers re-sign kershaw
7 years $215 mill

That explains my phone blowing up at lunch.  Less than I expected…

I wonder if this means they're out of the Tanaka race?

stevewizzle wrote:
dodgers re-sign kershaw
7 years $215 mill

this seemed far shorter than i expected, then i realized kershaw can opt out after 5 years, putting him as a free agent at 30, still very much in line for another potential record breaking deal

so if he keeps performing and pitcher salaries keep rising, he stands to become a very rich man in five years

gaaaaaaaaah wrote:

stevewizzle wrote:
dodgers re-sign kershaw
7 years $215 mill

this seemed far shorter than i expected, then i realized kershaw can opt out after 5 years, putting him as a free agent at 30, still very much in line for another potential record breaking deal

so if he keeps performing and pitcher salaries keep rising, he stands to become a very rich man in five years

This contract makes him very rich man…

it does, oviously

my point is that, if he keeps doing what hes doing, its very likely that he gets to sign another contract even bigger than this one in five years, so instead of one massive record breaking deal in his careeer, he could get two. for a pitcher thats unheard of

gaaaaaaaaah wrote:
it does, oviously

my point is that, if he keeps doing what hes doing, its very likely that he gets to sign another contract even bigger than this one in five years, so instead of one massive record breaking deal in his careeer, he could get two. for a pitcher thats unheard of

and thats a good point…Its rare for sure……


teach your little ones how to pitch..

gaaaaaaaaah wrote:
it does, oviously

my point is that, if he keeps doing what hes doing, its very likely that he gets to sign another contract even bigger than this one in five years, so instead of one massive record breaking deal in his careeer, he could get two. for a pitcher thats unheard of

Or he blows his arm out and the team has wasted a ton of money.

atomic wrote:

gaaaaaaaaah wrote:
it does, oviously

my point is that, if he keeps doing what hes doing, its very likely that he gets to sign another contract even bigger than this one in five years, so instead of one massive record breaking deal in his careeer, he could get two. for a pitcher thats unheard of

Or he blows his arm out and the team has wasted a ton of money.

actually that risk is more on kershaw than the dodgers. if it happens, he doesnt get to cash in a second time, but the dodgers wont be paying him deep into his 30's like most megadeals you see these days. this isnt signing a 32 year old for 10 years. pitchers are inherently risky but signing a 25 year old for 7 years is on the low end of the sprectrum

im not saying hes remotely in kershaws league yet, but i cant help but wonder what this will mean for strasburg in a few years.

gaaaaaaaaah wrote:

atomic wrote:

gaaaaaaaaah wrote:
it does, oviously

my point is that, if he keeps doing what hes doing, its very likely that he gets to sign another contract even bigger than this one in five years, so instead of one massive record breaking deal in his careeer, he could get two. for a pitcher thats unheard of

Or he blows his arm out and the team has wasted a ton of money.

actually that risk is more on kershaw than the dodgers. if it happens, he doesnt get to cash in a second time, but the dodgers wont be paying him deep into his 30's like most megadeals you see these days. this isnt signing a 32 year old for 10 years. pitchers are inherently risky but signing a 25 year old for 7 years is on the low end of the sprectrum

im not saying hes remotely in kershaws league yet, but i cant help but wonder what this will mean for strasburg in a few years.

How is this a risk for Kershaw?  If he doesn't blow his money on airplanes or get ripped of by somebody he is going to have more than enough  money than his or his family could ever spend.  And he could just as easily blow 500 million as he could 200 million. 

I mean, who hasn't blown a few spare hundreds of millions of dollars, am I right, guys?

gaaaaaaaaah wrote:
im not saying hes remotely in kershaws league yet, but i cant help but wonder what this will mean for strasburg in a few years.

This hasn't been talked about enough.  People keep focusing on future free agent deals, like Strasburg (who will test the free agent market and not sign an extension, and I'm willing to bet a lot on that), but Stras has two more years of arbitration left.

This deal means that the arbitration number is going to make a huge jump (it's based on players performance compared to the performances of other players and their compensation).  Small market teams are not going to be able to afford $15m Arb-1 and Arb-2 players.  Makes the David Price situation in Tampa look soft, by comparison.   

gaaaaaaaaah wrote:
this seemed far shorter than i expected, then i realized kershaw can opt out after 5 years, putting him as a free agent at 30, still very much in line for another potential record breaking deal

Yep - he traded 3 more years to the deal for the ability to opt out.  It looks more like Kershaw took the risk, but as was pointed out, it's not much of a risk with $215m in your pocket.

vansmack wrote:

gaaaaaaaaah wrote:
im not saying hes remotely in kershaws league yet, but i cant help but wonder what this will mean for strasburg in a few years.

This hasn't been talked about enough.  People keep focusing on future free agent deals, like Strasburg (who will test the free agent market and not sign an extension, and I'm willing to bet a lot on that), but Stras has two more years of arbitration left.

This deal means that the arbitration number is going to make a huge jump (it's based on players performance compared to the performances of other players and their compensation).  Small market teams are not going to be able to afford $15m Arb-1 and Arb-2 players.  Makes the David Price situation in Tampa look soft, by comparison.   

That is why I said he shouldn't have been shut down a couple years back with the Nationals in the playoffs. He is going to be gone anyway soon as he gets a chance.

vansmack wrote:
Makes the David Price situation in Tampa look soft, by comparison.   

And with that, Price gets a one-year, $14m deal.  Poor Tampa Bay…

Scherzer resigns for one year, 15.5. Optimistic Julian says that's a good faith effort before a Long term deal. Pessimistic Julian says we just paid top dollar for a guy who's going to start for Boston/NY for the next decade.

Finally saw the Kershaw contract -  interesting trade clause: if the Dodgers trade him he becomes a free agent after that season.

I wonder what MLB is going to say about that.

Julian, wrote:
Scherzer resigns for one year, 15.5. Optimistic Julian says that's a good faith effort before a Long term deal. Pessimistic Julian says we just paid top dollar for a guy who's going to start for Boston/NY for the next decade.

Offense wants to sign for NY/Boston.

Post-steroid pitchers want no part of those ball parks. I predict the Tigers sign him to a long term deal before the trade dealine. Every move they have made this off season was in the vein of a long term deal for Scherzer (and arguably made the team better in the long run).

vansmack wrote:
Finally saw the Kershaw contract -  interesting trade clause: if the Dodgers trade him he becomes a free agent after that season.

I wonder what MLB is going to say about that.

Seems like a really stupid contract for the team.  Also, giving him an option to opt out early is stupid.  Dumb contract overall for the Dodgers.

LOL Pete Rose, sorry back to your ongoing discussion now!

atomic wrote:
Seems like a really stupid contract for the team.  Also, giving him an option to opt out early is stupid.  Dumb contract overall for the Dodgers.

Not surprisingly, you might be the only person who thinks that.

Anything over 4 years for a pitcher is a risk to the team, but Kershaw wasn't signing anything less than 7-10 years next season.  So to pay what appears to be less than market value. while he's still under control, in exchange for an early out for the pitcher is a good deal.

Not to mention, money is no object for that team at the moment.  I still think they sign Tanaka.

vansmack wrote:

atomic wrote:
Seems like a really stupid contract for the team.  Also, giving him an option to opt out early is stupid.  Dumb contract overall for the Dodgers.

Not surprisingly, you might be the only person who thinks that.

Anything over 4 years for a pitcher is a risk to the team, but Kershaw wasn't signing anything less than 7-10 years next season.  So to pay what appears to be less than market value. while he's still under control, in exchange for an early out for the pitcher is a good deal.

Not to mention, money is no object for that team at the moment.  I still think they sign Tanaka.

How can it be less than market value when he signed a contract for more than any pitcher in history?  It is only 7 year contract if he sucks.  Otherwise he bolts early.  Stupid for the team.  Great for him.

No one has unlimited money. Those who think so end up broke.