The MLB Thread

RatBastard wrote:

gaaaaaaaaah wrote:
you realize the lifetime ban was only extended to cover hall of fame eligibility after rose accepted it right

That was a formalization of a rule that was already in effect and has kept one or more players out of the HOF prior to Rose.  Either way, Rose knew the rule he broke called for a permanent lifetime ban form baseball.  He knew that the HOF election committee had agreed to not elect anyone on the permanent banned list into the HOF.  Nothing at all excuses his actions and nothing at all should change the fact that he should never be allowed in the HOF under any circumstances.  Rose has zero respect for the game or anyone who plays it.  He never will.  Any parent who hold Rose out as a role model for their child is a fool.

Hey I never said he was a role model…. is Ty Cobb a role model? Not everyone in the Hall of Fame has to be a role model

I 'm just telling you I love baseball, I follow it, I'm old school about it.. .. and I think Pete Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame and something should have been worked out with him…

You are free to disagree with me!

As far as Rose having no respect for the game or anyone who plays it? Hyperbole much….. I do think your statement is false.. I think he showed plenty of respect on the field the 20 or so years he played it…..he wasn't Charlie Hustle for nothing…

The problem with Pete Rose is that he was and probably is a gambling addict….he happened to be a gambling addict involved with baseball.. a very bad combination…

But I am not as vindictive or judgmental as you RatBastard…I try to be a little empathetic and I honestly feel sorry for the guy…

Pete Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame…hopefully the new commissioner will see the light but I'm not…wait for it….betting on it.

;D

hutch wrote:

RatBastard wrote:

gaaaaaaaaah wrote:
you realize the lifetime ban was only extended to cover hall of fame eligibility after rose accepted it right

That was a formalization of a rule that was already in effect and has kept one or more players out of the HOF prior to Rose.  Either way, Rose knew the rule he broke called for a permanent lifetime ban form baseball.  He knew that the HOF election committee had agreed to not elect anyone on the permanent banned list into the HOF.  Nothing at all excuses his actions and nothing at all should change the fact that he should never be allowed in the HOF under any circumstances.  Rose has zero respect for the game or anyone who plays it.  He never will.  Any parent who hold Rose out as a role model for their child is a fool.

Hey I never said he was a role model…. is Ty Cobb a role model? Not everyone in the Hall of Fame has to be a role model

I 'm just telling you I love baseball, I follow it, I'm old school about it.. .. and I think Pete Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame and something should have been worked out with him…

You are free to disagree with me!

As far as Rose having no respect for the game or anyone who plays it? Hyperbole much….. I do think your statement is false.. I think he showed plenty of respect on the field the 20 or so years he played it…..he wasn't Charlie Hustle for nothing…

1) He ruined a hall of fame catchers career over an exhibition game.

2) He broke the one rule that directly goes to the integrity of the game.

3) He made a mockery of the game at his autograph signing with his "I'm Sorry" signatures.

4) He continually lied to the commissioner about his gambling until he thought it would benefit him to (at least partially) tell the truth.

5) He has made commercials that make a joke of baseball and the HOF.

6) He continues to thumb his nose at baseball by his actions.

There are just a few of his dickhead no respect actions.

He was Charlie Hustle because he always ran to first base, even on a walk.  Big fucking whoop.  There is nothing to work out.  The rules should not be applied differently to different players.  Would the numbers that Rose put up otherwise make a player be considered for election to the HOF, perhaps so.  That is 100% irrelevant though.  Rose chose to make himself ineligible.  Rose chose to be banned for life from baseball.  If you cannot hold your better players to the rules of the game then there should be no rules at all.  Putting Roe in the HOF would simply tell anyone playing the game that it is OK to break any rule you want if you think you are a good enough player.  An 'old school' baseball fan would fully understand that and realize the severe negative impact on the game that allowing Rose into the HOF would have.  A new school "no one should be held accountable for his actions" fan would be all up for Rose being in.

hutch wrote:
The problem with Pete Rose is that he was and probably is a gambling addict….he happened to be a gambling addict involved with baseball.. a very bad combination…

But I am not as vindictive or judgmental as you RatBastard…I try to be a little empathetic and I honestly feel sorry for the guy…

Pete Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame…hopefully the new commissioner will see the light but I'm not…wait for it….betting on it.

;D

I am not vindictive at all.  Nor am I judgmental.  I am simply of the mind that the rules ought to be applied equally to all.  Rose has no business in the HOF even as a visitor.  There is no light to see.  As far as feeling sorry for him, Perhaps if he ever showed some sincere sorrow for what he did I might feel sorry for him, but he is still in such denial that it is beyond believable that anyone would even think he should be considered for the HOF.

RatBastard wrote:
Would the numbers that Rose put up otherwise make a player be considered for election to the HOF, perhaps so. 

OK this is where you know you're trying to communicate with somebody that just is so consumed by hate that they aren't thinking…


Are you serious? "Perhaps so"?????

;D

At the end of the day Pete Rose is a hall of famer…everybody knows it… no amount of vindictiveness by those running the game he loved so much is going to change that fact…


the Rose haters remind me of the Bonds maniacs… they were so up in arms about Bonds… meanwhile EVERYONE else around them was doing it and nobody cared or cares…. AROD is still in the frickin' game for Pete's sake! (pun intended!)

hutch wrote:
At the end of the day Pete Rose is a hall of famer…everybody knows it… no amount of vindictiveness by those running the game he loved so much is going to change that fact…


the Rose haters remind me of the Bonds maniacs… they were so up in arms about Bonds… meanwhile EVERYONE else around them was doing it and nobody cared or cares…. AROD is still in the frickin' game for Pete's sake! (pun intended!)

At the end of the day the number Rose put up MAY be worthy of consideration for the HOF.  Also at the end of the day he is, by his own actions, permanently banned from baseball and ineligible.  I know that you DC liberal types have no comprehension of the concept of personal responsibility, but that is what this is all about.  Rose is the one who's actions went towards ruining the game.  No other offense comes close to the degree of being detrimental to the sport as gambling by a participant.

As far as steroids go, I personally could not care less who takes what (as long as it is not otherwise illegal).  People class steroids as performance enhancing but what does working out, taking vitamins, taking batting practice, and an endless list of the things do?  They enhance the performance of the athlete.  Aside from that, the rules of the game involving PEDs etc are set and being followed.  The fact that they banned/suspended some extremely high star level players exactly the same as they did (would have) any other player is exactly how is should be.

RatBastard wrote:
I know that you DC liberal types have no comprehension of the concept of personal responsibility, but that is what this is all about. 

Nice working into it of the "DC liberal" angle!

;D

hutch wrote:

RatBastard wrote:
I know that you DC liberal types have no comprehension of the concept of personal responsibility, but that is what this is all about. 

Nice working into it of the "DC liberal" angle!

;D

Thought you might appreciate that!  :)

What happened to being "a land of second chances"? I hear that all the time…. (personally I don't see it all that much)

He played the game hard but the right way throughout his career as a ballplayer….certainly nothing different than say a Ty Cobb…just very intense and ruthless …

He gambled as a manager and is a buffoon and charlatan…. admittedly not very likable…

I still say he deserves to be in Cooperstown. You cannot compare his actions to those of the Black Sox which is the reason why the rule he violated was instituted.

hutch wrote:
What happened to being "a land of second chances"? I hear that all the time…. (personally I don't see it all that much)

He played the game hard but the right way throughout his career as a ballplayer….certainly nothing different than say a Ty Cobb…just very intense and ruthless …

He gambled as a manager and is a buffoon and charlatan…. admittedly not very likable…

I still say he deserves to be in Cooperstown. You cannot compare his actions to those of the Black Sox which is the reason why the rule he violated was instituted.

You absolutely 100% can compare what he did with the black socks.  In fact as manager he had more control over the outcome of the game than any one or handful of players.  He controlled the entire team.  Again his numbers MAY be worthy of consideration of being voted in but he intentionally, purposefully, and deliberately made a personal choice to break a rule that he full well knew called for a lifetime ban.  He knew that a lifetime ban would keep him out of the HOF.  There really is no debate at all about this.  If he did respect the game he would sit down, shut up, and go away rather than whine cry and make a mockery of the game by acting like what he chose to do did not matter.  Further I do not agree that he played the game 'the right way'.  Ending the career of another player over an exhibition game shows how much he did NOT do so.

youre the only person ive ever seen not even admit that rose's stats are clearly hof worthy

A's trade Donaldson to Toronto for Brett Lawrie

Cruz to Seattle - $57M for 4 years

Nice work, Shemp.  That will be a disaster for the M's as Cruz will miss the shoebox that is Baltimore.

EDIT - $57m is not as bad as I thought.  Still probably should have found a smaller park though, but I suppose if it's your last job…

According to an Orioles official, the club was told that Cruz had a four-year, $58 million offer.
Cruz's agreement with the Mariners reportedly includes a $1 million signing bonus.

That's what I thought: you're going to miss Camden Yards…

hutch wrote:
That's what I thought: you're going to miss Camden Yards…

He only hit 15 of his 40 in Camden Yards.  That said, I don't think he makes it to 40 again either.

The only way this deal makes sense is if the Mariners sign more free agents.  Giving Cruz a fourth year and giving up a #1 draft pick is foolish.  But now that the draft pick is gone, be bold and sign some more free agents like the O's did last year, with, eh, Cruz!

probably paying too much for Cruz….

that being said, now they are saying it doesn't look like Markakis will resign.  not liking that one bit.