ggw
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Re: The MLB Thread
November 13, 2014 at 03:48 AM UTC
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hutch wrote:
I have to say I am gutted about Oscar Taveras dying in the Dominican Republic car accident….how crazy the world is… only two weeks ago he hit that huge home run….
SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic (AP) – St. Louis Cardinals rookie outfielder Oscar Taveras was drunk at the time of his fatal car crash last month in his Caribbean homeland, an official in the Dominican Republic said Wednesday.
Tessie Sanchez, a spokeswoman for the Dominican attorney general's office, told The Associated Press toxicology reports showed Taveras had a blood-alcohol level five times the country's legal limit when he lost control of his car Oct. 26 on a highway in the tourist region of Puerto Plata.
vansmack
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Re: The MLB Thread
November 13, 2014 at 10:48 PM UTC
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Julian, wrote:
vansmack wrote:
V-Mart resigns with Tigers: 4-years (!), $68m
*facepalm*
Keith Law sums up my thoughts nicely: well, let's call it what it is: They gave what is, in effect, a two-year, $68 million deal to Victor Martinez, with half of the money deferred until 2017 and 2018.
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It's better to think of it as overpaying to have him now, while they still have a legitimate chance to win the World Series. Either way, it should at least make Tigers fans feel better about it.
gaaaaaaaaah
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Re: The MLB Thread
November 13, 2014 at 11:57 PM UTC
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meanwhile the marlins and stanton are discussing 10-12 years, $300 million
vansmack
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Re: The MLB Thread
November 14, 2014 at 12:13 AM UTC
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gaaaaaaaaah wrote:
meanwhile the marlins and stanton are discussing 10-12 years, $300 million
I don't believe that for one second, but sure, sell some season seats.
vansmack
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Re: The MLB Thread
November 14, 2014 at 10:13 PM UTC
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vansmack wrote:
gaaaaaaaaah wrote:
meanwhile the marlins and stanton are discussing 10-12 years, $300 million
I don't believe that for one second, but sure, sell some season seats.
Fuck me.
This is absolutely insane on both sides!
13 years, $325 million, full no trade clause.
What in the hell are they both thinking?!
gaaaaaaaaah
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Re: The MLB Thread
November 14, 2014 at 11:58 PM UTC
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well theres supposedly an opt out clause too, which if true (and depending on when he can exercise it) means stanton has pretty much nothing to lose and a lot to gain by signing the deal. im no expert but it seems like if reports are true, all the risks are the team's on this one.
gotta wonder if this is the marlins announcing theyre serious and hoping to attract free agent talent the next few winters
gaaaaaaaaah
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Re: The MLB Thread
November 15, 2014 at 12:50 AM UTC
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apparently stanton can opt out at 30.
not sure exactly how the $325 million will be allocated among the 13 years but miami is only getting 5 guaranteed years of stanton
but if he drops off for whatever reason and doesnt use his opt out theyll be paying him ~$25million/year till hes 37
vansmack
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Re: The MLB Thread
November 17, 2014 at 05:26 PM UTC
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Blue Jays sign Russell Martin to 5-year, $82 million deal.
Also, Cards acquire OF Jason Heyward and RHP Jordan Walden from Atlanta for RHP Shelby Miller and RHP Tyler Jenkins.
vansmack
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Re: The MLB Thread
November 17, 2014 at 09:45 PM UTC
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hutch wrote:
you'd think for 325 million he wouldn''t have the opt out… that is what makes me second guess the deal…
The opt out clause is the only reason why I think the deal makes sense for at least one of the parties.
$325m over 13 years with no trade and no opt out clause would have a been a disaster for both parties. They'd hate each other within the first 5 seasons.
Now it at least makes sense for Stanton to agree to the deal. Unless the deal is severely backloaded, this is an awful deal for Miami. And even if it is severely backloaded, there's still a greater than 50% chance this an awful deal for Miami.
Stillwater
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Re: The MLB Thread
November 17, 2014 at 10:56 PM UTC
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I'm sorry, I read that as Russell Martin signed for 5 years and $82 million.
vansmack
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Re: The MLB Thread
November 17, 2014 at 11:27 PM UTC
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Stillwater wrote:
I'm sorry, I read that as Russell Martin signed for 5 years and $82 million.
I posted that before and was equally confused. Then I remembered he was Canadian and it all made more sense….
gaaaaaaaaah
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Re: The MLB Thread
November 17, 2014 at 11:47 PM UTC
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the more i read about the details to the stanton deal the more brilliant it seems from miamis standpoint
their fanbase is a disaster, this deal seems designed to try to win back some fans who (rightly) stopped trusting loria years ago. they get to trumpet the numbers and prove that they were willing to lock up an elite talent, while knowing how high the likelihood of stanton opting out and going to the highest bidder in 5(or 6, ive read conflicting reports) years. when that happens it technically wont be lorias fault, he can paint stanton as greedy and disloyal, and they wont owe him a further penny. the only real risk is if stanton loses it in the next 5 years, in which case of course the marlins remain on the hook anyway. if he keeps playing like hes playing there will certainly be teams throwing money at him when hes 30 and able to hit free agency. thats when the true test of loria and co's commitment to winning will happen
if thats too cynical and loria has suddenly decided to spend money on building a team, they basically have five years to surround giancarlo with enough talent, both on and off the field, to convince him to stay on past the 5 years. even if its not too cynical, loria better hope that 5 years of stanton on the field brings enough fans back that some will even stick around after hes gone.
long story short, we wont know the real value of this deal till that opt out comes into play.
and somewhere bryce harper is high fiving scott boras
gaaaaaaaaah
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Re: The MLB Thread
November 18, 2014 at 12:03 AM UTC
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oh i totally agree. so far id pick stanton over harper any day, as would any reasonable fan and mike rizzo. who knows if harper will eclipse him over the years but right now its not even close.
just saying, this contract will be brought up should the nats engage harper in extension talks
ggw
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Re: The MLB Thread
November 18, 2014 at 12:25 AM UTC
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Hutch hates Bryce Harper almost as much as Hutch hates America.
vansmack
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Re: The MLB Thread
November 18, 2014 at 01:18 AM UTC
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gaaaaaaaaah wrote:
the more i read about the details to the stanton deal the more brilliant it seems from miamis standpoint
the only real risk is if stanton loses it in the next 5 years, in which case of course the marlins remain on the hook anyway.
Like if that fastball to the face that ended his season last year has any lingering effects?
kmdobrz
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Re: The MLB Thread
November 18, 2014 at 01:32 AM UTC
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vansmack wrote:
gaaaaaaaaah wrote:
the more i read about the details to the stanton deal the more brilliant it seems from miamis standpoint
the only real risk is if stanton loses it in the next 5 years, in which case of course the marlins remain on the hook anyway.
Like if that fastball to the face that ended his season last year has any lingering effects?
