Just Postponed (or Cancelled)

Yeah I want to know! Can you reach out to them? Cause this is bullshit!

Tell us the truth

Special-hatch wrote:

Off-season wrote:
Their basement flooded and they have to take care of it.

was this a game of which one is not like the other
this is not a valid excuse

If you ignore a flooded basement, you'll soon have a moldy basement. And a house that cannot be inhabited or sold.

Off-season wrote:
Arlo Parks, a few dates, for personal reasons. Satisfied?

https://twitter.com/arloparks/status/1570804720897519616?s=20&t=mfU01w8yObwxErGfOgeOSA

You book the show you got to play it. That’s the way it works.

Off-season wrote:

Special-hatch wrote:

Off-season wrote:
Their basement flooded and they have to take care of it.

was this a game of which one is not like the other
this is not a valid excuse

If you ignore a flooded basement, you'll soon have a moldy basement. And a house that cannot be inhabited or sold.

wait, cancel a gig where you might earn up to $500 just so you can save your house and all your belongings in the basement? 

Off-season wrote:

Special-hatch wrote:

Off-season wrote:
Their basement flooded and they have to take care of it.

was this a game of which one is not like the other
this is not a valid excuse

If you ignore a flooded basement, you'll soon have a moldy basement. And a house that cannot be inhabited or sold.

umm…can't see anyone in either of these bands doing a good job at clean up
typically you call in a pro

Is this a joke to you Sweetwater? I mean just $25 times 1000 is a lot morethan$500 even after costs

But what about your fans?!?

I hope you are trying to be funny


These guys make good money and musicians need to honor their professional commitments. That is rule #1.

how do Morrissey and peter murphy play in to that rule #1

Peter Murphy is dead to me.

Starsky wrote:
Well then they should tell us…

funny how you wrote above,  "I think bands should then say it’s personal , they don’t owe you anything, and it’s none of your business."  by not giving details, they are implicitly saying "none of your business".

Starsky wrote:
Pick a different career if you want to cancel….

maybe this is the root of the issue: you think they want to cancel.  "hey guys, i'm not feeling that baltimore show… who's in for cancelling the whole gig?  we could go mini-golfing instead?"


look at the words they used: "It is, with regret that we have to announce…", "in this instance, unfortunately have to take priority over the shows", "As a band we always aim to do everything we set out to, but sometimes the circumstances just don’t allow this. We’re sorry to anyone who was hoping to see us, and we’ll do our very best to make it back to these regions in the near future."

no band wants to cancel a booked show.  it's their passion and in some cases their livelihood.  they know it turns off fans and sour relationships with promoters, venues, etc.  it's a tough decision, but sometimes life requires tough decisions.

Starsky wrote:
It’s a cliche: the show must go on.

i strongly disagree with you here.  there are instances when the show must be cancelled. 

your absolutism and lack of empathy/understanding is kinda surprising.

Listen Sweets you go for the Nobel Peace Prize…I will continue rocking out.

Starsky wrote:
Is this a joke to you Sweetwater? I mean just $25 times 1000 is a lot morethan$500 even after costs

this decision was taken by the band.  the band looks at its own finances when making the decision, not those of the venue, the sponsors, the food truck outside, etc.  they will (or should) consider the impact of those other folks on their own finances ("if we burn this venue, will they ever invite us back again?") but they understandably make decisions based on their own bottom line - which is a hell of a lot less than the door total described above.  and sometimes a band will decide to take the hit, because they have to. 

(fyi, ottobar has a capacity of 350)

Starsky wrote:
These guys make good money and musicians need to honor their professional commitments. That is rule #1.

i have no idea what the finances of the VB are like, but saying that bands that play the ottobar "make good money" is going to be stretch 9 times out of 10.  i don't need to tell you of all people about the economics of touring.  bands playing clubs at $25 a head are payin' the bills at best.  these ain't no millionaires pissing across their champagne moats, laughing at the fans holding cancelled tickets.

Starsky wrote:
Listen Sweets you go for the Nobel Peace Prize…I will continue rocking out.

actually, you stay home and fume over the audacity of a band daring to cancel a show (HOW DARE THEY NOT PERFORM FOR ME)… i'll continue doing my thing with much lower blood pressure ;D

You cannot be serious

Ok actually maybe Peter Murphy is not dead to me cause he signed my Bela Lugosi’s Dead 12” and was pretty nice to me

Starsky wrote:
You cannot be serious

excellent comeback.  i cede to your unassailable argument. 

how could i have been so wrong.

I thought it was pretty good for not having read anything you wrote…

so the VBoys actually get a fairly decent draw
the black cat show was probably 80% full and made a killing in merch

it wasn't scheduled at the otto bar but Union Craft Brewery, so really have no idea what the capacity is
I suspect it's more than 350, but don't really know

don't remeber what shame said, but they left it with
We love you guys, and hope to make it up to you in the near future.

Starsky wrote:
I thought it was pretty good for not having read anything you wrote…

excellent shoring up of your arguments - "i have proven my points against yours, even tho i don't know what your points are".

also easily disproved by the fact that you directly replied to me, and even named me.  how trumpian of you… "i don't even know the guy!"

Lordie

At the Black Cat show, Shame stated they just recorded a new album and will be back soon.  I think the cancellations may have more to do with mixing/finalizing the new album and setting up a new tour in support of it.  Maybe they had to book studio time for additional recording, overdubs, etc. and the only time available was mid October.  Would explain why only the last shows were cancelled. 

But what the fuck do I know.