Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:They shouldnt. Its not TMs job to make sure no one else sells tickets over face, but its not their job to engage in inflating tikcet prices themselves either.
Originally posted by eros:Why should they?
IMO Ticketmaster isn't doing everything they can to make sure that the first 10 rows of decent shows don't end up on Ebay and Stubhub 3 days before they go on sale.
Rumor: Smashing Pumpkins at 9:30 Club July 10th
Originally posted by Celeste:Actually I do go to a LOT of low priced shows that don't come close to selling out. You get to see some really good music that way.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:point taken, I see what you mean
I am not advocating anything, just noting that ticket sales (for popular events) pretty much violate free market forces from the get-go.
Originally posted by RatBastard:or you could try to go to less popular shows..you know, discover new bands that fewer people have heard of that charge $15 or $20…these are better anyway!
So now all tickets should be put on sale with a bid system…and he who has the gold rules?
I know the SP show was priced relatively cheaply to begin with, but all the hype and big extravaganza-ness of it would be a turn off to me..pah!
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:What I was trying to (not so clearly I guess) say is that there are some implications that TM is in cahoots with some of the brokers. They give them a better shot at good tickets and then share the profit from the inflated sale price. I am not saying this is really happening, only a theory I've heard.
Originally posted by eros:Why should they?
IMO Ticketmaster isn't doing everything they can to make sure that the first 10 rows of decent shows don't end up on Ebay and Stubhub 3 days before they go on sale.
A very plausible theory.
Originally posted by Roadbike Mankie:your second point is completely understandable, but it's not related to the first - let's not confuse issues here. that the police or morrissey decide that their tickets are worth $100 - fine, they are the artists, and we'll make our decisions to go or not based on personal and financial values.
Personally I have no problem with scalpers.
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Ticketmaster surcharges are the reason I only attend about 20% of the shows I used to, but it's no big deal really. I would've gone to see the Police but not at those prices. Morrissey I has happy to shell out the dough, it was worth it to me.
but scalpers get in the way of this decision and take it away from you and i. the pumpkins might have wanted to offer an affordable show to their fans, but the parasites move in and seize that value that the artists decided to give to the fans. some artists are income maximizers (hello sting!), while others are aware of ticket costs and try to make thier shows affordable.
From a purely economic standpoint, scalpers simply arbitrage the difference between the level of natural demand (high) and the artificial price (low) of a commodity with limited supply. That is a free market activity. The whole concept of a "real fan" is a non-economic construct.
If the Pumpkins (or anyone else) want to offer a product below market price to a select group, they need to do it in another manner (e.g., Pearl Jam's Ten Club).
The argument that scalpers artificially increase demand is bunk. If the demand for tickets was not higher than the supply, they couldn't charge a premium.
It works both ways too. A couple of weeks ago I went to the Richard Thompson show. A $35 ticket that I got for $20 from a scalper out front because supply was greater than demand. Three people wanted to sell me a ticket and I bought from the first one that would take $20.
If the Pumpkins (or anyone else) want to offer a product below market price to a select group, they need to do it in another manner (e.g., Pearl Jam's Ten Club).
The argument that scalpers artificially increase demand is bunk. If the demand for tickets was not higher than the supply, they couldn't charge a premium.
It works both ways too. A couple of weeks ago I went to the Richard Thompson show. A $35 ticket that I got for $20 from a scalper out front because supply was greater than demand. Three people wanted to sell me a ticket and I bought from the first one that would take $20.
Originally posted by sweetcell:
your second point is completely understandable, but it's not related to the first - let's not confuse issues here. that the police or morrissey decide that their tickets are worth $100 - fine, they are the artists, and we'll make our decisions to go or not based on personal and financial values.
but scalpers get in the way of this decision and take it away from you and i. the pumpkins might have wanted to offer an affordable show to their fans, but the parasites move in and seize that value that the artists decided to give to the fans. some artists are income maximizers (hello sting!), while others are aware of ticket costs and try to make thier shows affordable.
Too lazy to go through each page since this comment was made…BUT…how does one avoid the will call procedures on Tuesday night? Did I miss a giant loophole?
No one did.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:by this logic, food and shelter given to katrina or 9/11 victims should also be intercepted by "enterpreneurs", and they should charge for something that was previously free. after all, aid isn't properly priced, i'm sure those people would be willing to pay for it. only the market has the right to set prices. always.
From a purely economic standpoint, scalpers simply arbitrage the difference between the level of natural demand (high) and the artificial price (low) of a commodity with limited supply. That is a free market activity.
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The argument that scalpers artificially increase demand is bunk. If the demand for tickets was not higher than the supply, they couldn't charge a premium.
re: a recording from tuesday night,
less than satisfactory results on most accounts because of less than satisfactory circumstances for tapers.
(and that's on the band's management, not the club – if what i was told was correct).
less than satisfactory results on most accounts because of less than satisfactory circumstances for tapers.
(and that's on the band's management, not the club – if what i was told was correct).
Originally posted by sweetcell:Right. Because Smashing Pumpkins tickets are a necessity just like food, clothing, and shelter.
by this logic, food and shelter given to katrina or 9/11 victims should also be intercepted by "enterpreneurs", and they should charge for something that was previously free. after all, aid isn't properly priced, i'm sure those people would be willing to pay for it. only the market has the right to set prices. always.
scalping doesnt stop at tickets either. in new york, there's a website called PrimeTimeTables that actually scalps restaurant reservations. if you want a reservation @ 8 on a saturday night, it'll cost ya. im not fond of the idea, but i must admit, it was a good one.
Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:they are in one important aspect: the source decided to offer them to consumers at a specific (and incidentally below-market) rate for the latter's benefit, not for intermediaries' profit.
Because Smashing Pumpkins tickets are a necessity just like food, clothing, and shelter.
artists and clubs are almost universally against the practice of scalping. must be because they're all communists :p
Originally posted by danknugz:i have less of a problem with this, because supply is not nearly as limited. there are plenty of good restaurants in NYC that will serve you 6 or 7 nights of the week. there are only ~1100 tickets for a show at the 930 that will happen only once.
scalping doesnt stop at tickets either. in new york, there's a website called PrimeTimeTables that actually scalps restaurant reservations. if you want a reservation @ 8 on a saturday night, it'll cost ya. im not fond of the idea, but i must admit, it was a good one.
Originally posted by sweetcell:scalping is just a free market economy at work. maybe its not right, but its reality. i was more pissed at the fact that DC101 was given so many tickets. i mean, i can understand giving tickets away as promos for shows that need to be advertised. but i mean, does a smashing pumpkins show @ the 930 REALLY need THAT much promotion? somehow, i think this show would have sold out in minutes anyway.
i have less of a problem with this, because supply is not nearly as limited. there are plenty of good restaurants in NYC that will serve you 6 or 7 nights of the week. there are only ~1100 tickets for a show at the 930 that will happen only once.
Danknugz, you are missing one teeny, tiny little factor. It wasn't about pushing the show. It was all about promoting the new CD. With that said, I don't listen to DC101 so I have no idea how many tickets they gave away. I'm sure it was enough to build up a good frenzy to get plenty of people excited enough to go out and buy the new release.
Originally posted by Jaguar:true.. i knew that shit was gonna happen too, with the album being released on the same day as the show. the new album blows though, with the exception of "doomsday clock" and "tarantula"
Danknugz, you are missing one teeny, tiny little factor. It wasn't about pushing the show. It was all about promoting the new CD. With that said, I don't listen to DC101 so I have no idea how many tickets they gave away. I'm sure it was enough to build up a good frenzy to get plenty of people excited enough to go out and buy the new release.
Originally posted by danknugz:outstanding! thats pretty amazing
scalping doesnt stop at tickets either. in new york, there's a website called PrimeTimeTables that actually scalps restaurant reservations. if you want a reservation @ 8 on a saturday night, it'll cost ya. im not fond of the idea, but i must admit, it was a good one.
Originally posted by le sonick:In your opinion
Originally posted by danknugz:outstanding! thats pretty amazing
scalping doesnt stop at tickets either. in new york, there's a website called PrimeTimeTables that actually scalps restaurant reservations. if you want a reservation @ 8 on a saturday night, it'll cost ya. im not fond of the idea, but i must admit, it was a good one.
Back when U2 were on the Zoo tv tour someone I knew was camping out for tickets for the RFK show and offered to get me one. "sure, why not" I said, even though I wasn't that excited about going to see U2. On the day of the show I was prepared to sell my ticket for a hefty profit and just skip the show - Does that make me a scalper or just an opportunist?
In the end I decided to go to the show because I got into the excitement of it all on ride down on the metro, even though I was offered $300 for my ticket.
I personally don't see why anyone has a problem with someone making a few bucks because they were on the ball and you weren't.
In the end I decided to go to the show because I got into the excitement of it all on ride down on the metro, even though I was offered $300 for my ticket.
I personally don't see why anyone has a problem with someone making a few bucks because they were on the ball and you weren't.
if anyone cares, sp added a philly date today (october 19th) and tickets are available so go now!
i just bought 4! :)
i just bought 4! :)