Orioles....part 2?

He had a one year deal on the table - a $15.8M qualifying offer.  If Boras is correct that industry revenues are split 57/43 in favor of the owners, then maybe this is a way for the players to flex some muscle.  But why would you let a guy walk after one year after giving up the 14th pick in the draft to get him?

And of course Fowler's agent rips the O's.

Pretty predictable and a tired joke at this point, but…

Nuke wrote:
He had a one year deal on the table - a $15.8M qualifying offer.  If Boras is correct that industry revenues are split 57/43 in favor of the owners, then maybe this is a way for the players to flex some muscle.  But why would you let a guy walk after one year after giving up the 14th pick in the draft to get him?

And of course Fowler's agent rips the O's.

I don't blame the O's at all for not giving in on the opt-out clause, but I'm really starting to worry about the bad advice the agents are giving their players around not accepting QO's and not taking financial security by asking for an opt out clause instead - and truthfully, the Fowler deal is not an opt out as it's a mutual option (with a $5m buyout).  He left $2m+ on the table and he'll be a free agent for sure next season. 

I know at least one team he won't be playing for in 2017….

So, in effect, it's a mutual opt-out.  Doesn't change the fact that when he wants to leave after one year he will.  While leaving $2.8M on the table.

If he leaves after one year, the Orioles lose their draft pick and they're screwed. Good for them for telling him to go someplace else.

Having said that, I'm really sad he's not on the team.

Nuke wrote:
So, in effect, it's a mutual opt-out.  Doesn't change the fact that when he wants to leave after one year he will.  While leaving $2.8M on the table.

It's mutual in that both sides have to agree to keep him.  If he chooses to leave, he gets nothing.  If the Cubs tell him to leave they pay him $5m.  If he stays, he makes $9m in 2017 (up from $8m in 2016).

All this when he had a one year $15m deal on the table and 3 year $32m deal on the table.  It's pretty obvious he won't make more than either of these offers when it's all said and done.

so if the Orioles weren't stealing the Nats money would they be viable or permanent cellar dwellers?

What does that say about Baltimore if it can't field a competitive team?

hutch wrote:
so if the Orioles weren't stealing the Nats money would they be viable or permanent cellar dwellers?

What does that say about Baltimore if it can't field a competitive team?

Are you referring to the non-competitive team that made the playoffs 2 out of the last 4 years?

I don't even like the Orioles and I thought that was ridiculous.

Nuke wrote:

hutch wrote:
so if the Orioles weren't stealing the Nats money would they be viable or permanent cellar dwellers?

What does that say about Baltimore if it can't field a competitive team?

Are you referring to the non-competitive team that made the playoffs 2 out of the last 4 years?

We were here first.

http://www.camdenchat.com/2016/2/5/10917292/orioles-nationals-masn-money-court-case

K8teebug wrote:
We were here first.

http://www.camdenchat.com/2016/2/5/10917292/orioles-nationals-masn-money-court-case

At least you chose an unbiased opinion on the matter….

vansmack wrote:

K8teebug wrote:
We were here first.

http://www.camdenchat.com/2016/2/5/10917292/orioles-nationals-masn-money-court-case

At least you chose an unbiased opinion on the matter….

I had the worst visiting fan experience of my life at Nats Park. And I've been to Fenway in Orioles gear.

K8teebug wrote:
I had the worst visiting fan experience of my life at Nats Park. And I've been to Fenway in Orioles gear.

Well, I'm sure that author took your fan experience into consideration when drafting that article.  Whatever you do, make sure you base all of your opinions about the team on that one experience because that makes perfect sense.

This is a legal battle, pure and simple.  Bud Selig made promises he couldn't keep (to both the Nat's and the A's) and the courts are left to figure it out.  The Nats are going to throw everything they can and the O's are going to defend their turf.  But this about the almighty dollar, not the fans.

I've been to almost every ball park, including Walgreen's Stadium a few times and had a good experience.  Even dressed like this:

 

I don't think this crap will be settled as long as Angelos is still alive. 

Nuke wrote:
I don't think this crap will be settled as long as Angelos is still alive. 

Agreed.  And I think the A's leave Oakland but not for San Jose.

Nuke wrote:

hutch wrote:
so if the Orioles weren't stealing the Nats money would they be viable or permanent cellar dwellers?

What does that say about Baltimore if it can't field a competitive team?

Are you referring to the non-competitive team that made the playoffs 2 out of the last 4 years?

I meant if they were NOT stealing the Nats money…Obviously, as you say, with the Nats money they are competitive.

'Poor' Nats were only able to spend $165M in 2015 - no wonder they didn't win the Series. 

Nuke wrote:
'Poor' Nats were only able to spend $165M in 2015 - no wonder they didn't win the Series. 

I was talking about the Orioles stealing Nats money.. not saying the Nats are a poor team.. obviously the DC market is much bigger than Baltimore which in relation to DC is minor league…

MLB's decision to placate Angelos by giving him future Nats money was idiotic but its a reality

What I'm asking is : without that money could the Orioles compete in the majors or would they be better off maybe as a minor league team? Maybe even the Nats Triple AAA team? That way Orioles fans could still watch baseball but their team wouldn't have to steal Nats money to remain in the majors…

MLBPA's Tony Clark Concerned Over Recent FA Negotiations Between Orioles & Yovani Gallardo & Dexter Fowler

http:// by /1hUwanK

vansmack wrote:
MLBPA's Tony Clark Concerned Over Recent FA Negotiations Between Orioles & Yovani Gallardo & Dexter Fowler

http:// by /1hUwanK

More bad news for Orioles….Sometimes they operate like a minor league team…