The America Great Again Thread

he did say that thanks to mexico's and canada's "unprecedented concessions obtained by trump!" (aka what they were already going to do), he was pausing the tariffs for a month.  i seriously thought/hoped that the pause would be permanent: trump got so much blowback that he needed an out, so he announced a "pause" after their actions but in reality he was just walking away.  guess not.  but no worries, trump is a (stable) economic genius, right?  everyone agrees with him, right?

Dow opens down 500 points. Going to be interesting day at the casino. Obviously Trump is addressing Congress tonight.

hutch wrote:
Dow opens down 500 points. Going to be interesting day at the casino. Obviously Trump is addressing Congress tonight.

smart money holds cash and stays on the sidelines

I'm more of an S&P guy for judging the market (DJ is just 30 companies)

1.18.21 SP closes at 3841
1.20.25 SP closes at 6101 !!!
58% in 4 years, thats an amazing return
In all of our lifetimes, we have not seen that kind of return
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5EGSPC/

Man those biden years really sucked in the stock market


SP is down 5% since he took office (only 43 days)
At this rate we'll be back to an SP when he left office by the end of the year

on hegseth's orders, US cyber command suspends all offensive operations against ruzzia… because they are our allies now?

if anyone can explain the choices of the current administration other than with "trump is a russian asset", i'm all ears.  i can't come up with anything.

sweetcell wrote:
if anyone can explain the choices of the current administration other than with "trump is a russian asset", i'm all ears.  i can't come up with anything.

he wants to make sure GOP crushes in 2026-28

the fight dems need to go all in on is this SAFE act
allegedly to protect against voter fraud, but pretty much will disenfranchise tons of dem voters.

I find it hard to accept he is a Russian asset. I have read all the arguments.

I can accept he once was a Russian asset but as president? What is in for him? People say kompromat but no matter what they have on him is it so bad he would lose his support?

I can see him identifying with Putin as his ideal of a strong leader. I can see him wanting to work with Russia to advance what he sees as US goals.

But my partner tells me I am crazy.

I mean the US president is far more powerful than the Russian so why would he work FOR Putin? It doesn’t add up.

hutch wrote:
But my partner tells me I am crazy.

can confirm

well the issue as I understand is Putin has lots of dirt on Trump as well as some major debt(although after the memecoin and DJT stock…can't imagine trump is having money issues)

hAtchsIde wrote:

sweetcell wrote:
if anyone can explain the choices of the current administration other than with "trump is a russian asset", i'm all ears.  i can't come up with anything.

he wants to make sure GOP gets crushed in 2026-28

fixed?

how is his current realignment with russia going to ensure GOP victory in '26 & '28?

sweetcell wrote:

hAtchsIde wrote:

sweetcell wrote:
if anyone can explain the choices of the current administration other than with "trump is a russian asset", i'm all ears.  i can't come up with anything.

he wants to make sure GOP gets crushed in 2026-28

fixed?

how is his current realignment with russia going to ensure GOP victory in '26 & '28?

so that would be through disinfo and election interference
I have heard very few with a R next to their name, be vocal that this Russia stuff sucks…rather they are like "why shouldn't we be friends with russia"

His base does not care and are somewhat giddy about dictators
plus putin is very white people first, so they love that too

This is pure madness

such a child with the name calling

Was doing a little sidefi research after and this line in an article on the stock market tanking sums it up pretty well

I think there’s a new normal of irrationality that is not going to be helpful to the U.S. economy.
Frm Clinton sec of treasury Rob Rubin

hAtchsIde wrote:
Was doing a little sidefi research after and this line in an article on the stock market tanking sums it up pretty well

I think there’s a new normal of irrationality that is not going to be helpful to the U.S. economy.

Rep. Jack Kimble (@RepJackKimble)
Presidents Trump and Musk are already working hard to bring down the cost of stocks to a level where average Americans can afford them again. I imagine groceries will not be far behind.

sweetcell wrote:

hAtchsIde wrote:
Was doing a little sidefi research after and this line in an article on the stock market tanking sums it up pretty well

I think there’s a new normal of irrationality that is not going to be helpful to the U.S. economy.

Rep. Jack Kimble (@RepJackKimble)
Presidents Trump and Musk are already working hard to bring down the cost of stocks to a level where average Americans can afford them again. I imagine groceries will not be far behind.

true, but you know that is a satire account


the idiot football coach senator has some thoughts
Tuberville: Putin and Trump will decide future of Ukraine, not Zelensky

so much crazy shit in so little time…I bet friday is going to be bonkers again when we find out they decided to put the entire Social Security Trust fund into memecoins

David Sacks, Trump’s artificial intelligence and crypto czar, teased “more to come” at the upcoming White House Crypto Summit on Friday.

I wonder if Trump is looking for a pretext to invade Canada?

If he really imposed another 25% tariff increase on Canada - and I can’t believe he is going to even though he said he would- it would be devastating for Canada and very damaging for us.

But if we attacked Canada who exactly would help them? Do they have much of a military?

The US would immediately become a pariah state like Russia and Iran.

Of course, war has always dovetailed nicely with restrictions on civil liberties etc

Ok now I’m thinking this play is to get regime change in Ukraine

Zelensky says he's "ready" to resign if it brings peace or Ukraine joins NATO

hAtchsIde wrote:
true, but you know that is a satire account

yes, i heard it's a parody of a certain boardee's financial advice… <hides>

hAtchsIde wrote:
Tuberville: Putin and Trump will decide future of Ukraine, not Zelensky

there has been a lot of that going around.  i think it was watters, on fox, who said "ukraine is a vassal state, we own them, and we decide when the war is over, not them". 

this comes directly from trump.  as a NYC developer, he believed there were two types of people/companies:
1) subordinate suckers who should be taken advantage of; or
2) powerful types that you buddy up to and make deals with. 
the lowly plumbing contractor will be paid a third of what was agreed to after the work is complete, while other rich magnates are wined and dined.  this thinking permeates trump's political thinking too: either a country (or its leader) is below the US, in which case you take everything and give back nothing (ukraine, panama, canada, greenland, gaza); or it's a "real country"/"real leader" with power, like ruzzia or china, that trumps aspires to pal around with.

clearly trump is done with the inconvenience that is ukraine, and his disciples are parroting the message: ukraine shouldn't even have a say in its own future.  what word is worse than disgusting?  reprehensible? 

Trade deal with Canada and México to be announced tomorrow?


This administration gives me whiplash.

hutch wrote:
I wonder if Trump is looking for a pretext to invade Canada?

But if we attacked Canada who exactly would help them? Do they have much of a military?

canada's military would not be able to stop an american invasion, not even close (harken back to when ruzzia invaded ukraine, except that the invader is both prepared and actually competent).  i doubt anyone would come to the help of canada - other countries have to be realistic enough to know that they can't beat the US in what would be a land war for the US but a overseas war for potential canadian allies.

hutch wrote:
The US would immediately become a pariah state like Russia and Iran.

pretty sure trump would be OK with that.  russia and china are powerful, all the countries calling him a pariah are weak LOSERS who should hand over their wealth to the US.  who wants to hang with them anyways?  they only take advantage of the US!

hutch wrote:
Of course, war has always dovetailed nicely with restrictions on civil liberties etc

there is a conspiracy theory that trump is creating so much chaos as to create civil unrest, he can then declare martial law, suspend the constitution, and we start the reign of Donald The First.

hAtchsIde wrote:
Ok now I’m thinking this play is to get regime change in Ukraine

that play is straight from the kremlin.  trump is learning what putin has known for a while: zelensky won't give in to bullying from the more powerful, regardless of the cost.  only solution is to get rid of zelensky and get a new leader who is more controversial, less popular etc then try sowing civil discord under the new, weaker leader.  the kremlin might try to prop up a pro-kremlin candidate but he/she cannot win - ukrainians will not vote for anyone pro-moscow - but rolling the dice on a new president is preferable to the brick wall that is Z.

ousting Z isn't going to happen.  first, the ukrainian constitution prohibits elections during martial law, so RU would need to leave UA first, which defeats the point of getting rid of Z.  even if they amended the constitution (something that would take many months) to allow for it under current conditions, Kyiv has estimated it would take a minimum of 6 months to get infrastructure to a point where elections could be held.  so a new ukrainian president is at least a year away, likely more - way too far in the future for putin/trump.  anyone chosen through such an election would have legitimacy issues: putin/trump would say they aren't the real president, they had to change the rules to get them elected, not all of ukraine was able to vote (because of ruzzia!) so he doesn't represent the people, etc.  finally, Z is ridiculously popular right now.  even if all of the above happened and elections were held somehow, Z would win.  so they'd go through all that effort just to get right back where they started.

hAtchsIde wrote:
Zelensky says he&#039;s &quot;ready&quot; to resign if it brings peace or Ukraine joins NATO

first and foremost Z wants security for the people of ukraine, and second, a return to ukraine's internationally-recognized borders.  if he can get that, or most of that, in exchange for his resignation, i believe he'll happily do it.  it's been his goal for 3 years now, and you have to imagine he's exhausted.  i'm not convinced that, if peace is achieved and normal elections are held, than Z would even run.  i strongly suspect he'd feel he's done his part and is ready to hand off the reigns.