The America Great Again Thread

seems like a great time to stop research on MRNA

I mean we were only on the cusp of curing Pancreatic and colorectal cancer, but ya know gotta make things more efficient
https://www.cancerhealth.com/article/mrna-cancer-vaccine-shows-promise-pancreatic-cancer

hmm…maybe getting the job as the head of VOA wasn't actually that great

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/voice-of-america-staff-put-on-leave-trump-ally-says-agency-not-salvageable/ar-AA1B0ddX?

I was thinking that….never occurred to me they would shut it down

hutch wrote:
It’s an interesting question….can he undo stuff Biden did claiming that Biden never signed it?

nothing matters anymore.  he can just say whatever and run with it. 

of course the implication is that anything signed electronically is now invalid.  apparently i did not borrow hundreds of thousands of dollar to buy my house: i signed the mortgage papers via Docusign, so they're invalid!  yay free house!!!  oh wait - i signed my employment contract electronically as well, so…

so.  fucking.  stupid.

hAtchsIde wrote:
hmm…maybe getting the job as the head of VOA wasn't actually that great

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/voice-of-america-staff-put-on-leave-trump-ally-says-agency-not-salvageable/ar-AA1B0ddX?

Makes sense that he have that one and Education to a woman.

here is something for everyone to be excited about….Salary Deflation!
your next job may pay less than your current one

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careersandeducation/job-seekers-hit-wall-of-salary-deflation/ar-AA1B2Xp4



unrelated, but an excellent David Brooks talk
How the Elite rigged Society (and why it’s falling apart) | David Brooks
They represent the educated elite, they are not pro-conservative, but anti-left.  They don't have a positive conservative vision for society, they just want to destroy the institutions the Left now dominates.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2025/03/16/is-abortion-public-high-school-teaches-womens-history-month/

A if for "abortion", m is for "mansplain," q is for "queer," t is for "transgender women," z is for "male gaZe."

Space wrote:
https://www.dailysignal.com/2025/03/16/is-abortion-public-high-school-teaches-womens-history-month/

A if for "abortion", m is for "mansplain," q is for "queer," t is for "transgender women," z is for "male gaZe."

This reminds me of Nick Cave’s Let Love In

hutch wrote:
My partner is concerned about “how did you become a US citizen???”

If you don’t hear from me guys I am probably in El Salvador and not on vacation…..

welp, I know for a fact you are not a good gardener, but I do rate you as a Swell Guy

Why is the environment a ‘left’ issue?  Why would someone with ‘conservative values’ believe that environmental issues should dismissed and all science and common sense should be wholesale ignored?  Is that a ‘conservative’ response? Is that a ‘moral’ act?

Mobius wrote:
Why is the environment a ‘left’ issue?  Why would someone with ‘conservative values’ believe that environmental issues should dismissed and all science and common sense should be wholesale ignored?  Is that a ‘conservative’ response? Is that a ‘moral’ act?

depends - what do you mean by "conservative"?  actual textbook conservatism?  traditional GOP ("reagan") conservatism?  or whatever the hell the GOP has become, AKA trumpism?

My brother-in-law is a republican.  He's been his whole life, even before Trump.  He lived in Salt Lake City and now, Mesquite, NV.  He loves skiing, hiking, taking his boat out on the water, etc. etc.  He thinks we should not fuck up the environment.  But he also thinks that's secondary to corporations making profit, and that infringing on an individual's liberties (in this case, the liberties of a CEO to steer his company) is the same as losing one's freedom.  In his mind, not a conflict at all.

I do think he's become increasingly skeptical of facts and science that he thinks come from "the left".  He sees it as manipulation by one side to infringe on those rights.  To be expected due to his media consumption for sure. 

But I also think the easier answer is: the people they hate thinks saving the climate is good, so they think it's bad.

Mobius wrote:
Why is the environment a ‘left’ issue?  Why would someone with ‘conservative values’ believe that environmental issues should dismissed and all science and common sense should be wholesale ignored?  Is that a ‘conservative’ response? Is that a ‘moral’ act?

I also recall a lot of the early 2000s and the incorporation of the Born Agains into to the movement's prominence having am effect in that "this world weas made by 'God' for man so we can do with it as we please". . .

Honestly I think it ALL goes back to the Reagan Revolution. That’s when we went off the tracks and we just keep getting further away. Regulations are bad, greed is good, selfishness is great, if you are rich you are good if poor bad, government should do the least possible, kill the poor etc. 

Trump is the most consequential president since Reagan and definitely in the running to surpass LBJ.

The Democratic Party has been bereft of ideas for a long time (ie, “joy!”). Sort of let’s do republican lite and less scary and it has worked but it no longer does because Trump has co-opted the democrats with the white lower class.

I know this will raise the ire of some but I think the time is right to tack left. Someone like Bernie but not an old white man with a history of heart problems. And someone who isn’t an avowed socialist etc. You just have to give people a reason to show up to vote for you believing you can help them. Orange man bad didn’t work for Hillary and unbelievably Harris tripled down on it while the seals clapped.

completely on board with nkotb's last point: reactionary tribalism.

Mobius wrote:
Why is the environment a ‘left’ issue?  Why would someone with ‘conservative values’ believe that environmental issues should dismissed and all science and common sense should be wholesale ignored?  Is that a ‘conservative’ response? Is that a ‘moral’ act?

somewhat tangential, but i thought this was an interesting take: Why do Republicans believe so much stuff that is simply not true?

(Republicans) identified one narrow path to victory for Republicans in national elections. They had to divide the country along the lines of religion and race to win. Ronald Reagan used this to great effect in 1980. In making this change Republicans switched their base from fiscal conservatives to religious conservatives. This fundamentally changed the nature of the Republican Party.
(…)
Their beliefs were the most important thing to them. The facts are less so. They were much more willing to create facts that align with their beliefs and then believe those facts than change their beliefs.

I guess what I’m thinking is that someone who identifies as having ‘conservative values’ would likely consider responsibility, problem-solving, a sense of morality and right and wrong as part of their core values.  These seem like values that would align with conservation and protecting the environment.

Even if you believe all opportunities and resources should be exploited - as a pro- business person would - it’s still doesn’t make sense to me why someone with conservative values wouldn’t do so in the most responsible way possible.

Yet environmental issues are generally considered left wing, liberal and extreme only

This is kind of what I was getting at…my brother-in-law does think you should, i don't know, recycle or bring usable bags to the grocery store.  He just doesn't think anyone should be forced to do it because of some crazy "Marxist" ideology.

My sister-in-law, on the other hand, brings plastic straws with her on vacation and hands them out at bars.  She also unfriended me on Facebook when I ask her to explain how leftists are using masking as a means of population control.  Whaddaya gonna do?

Mobius wrote:
Even if you believe all opportunities and resources should be exploited - as a pro- business person would - it’s still doesn’t make sense to me why someone with conservative values wouldn’t do so in the most responsible way possible.

I had a very republican Grandfather in law, I remember him saying that the EPA was possibly the worst gov't program ever invented and did way more harm than good
and I'm like "so clean air and water are not a good result of those gov't actions"

I think most rightwing/conservative people may like the environment and want to protect it, but have been sold a bill of goods that the whole 'climate change industry' is just stealing money from tax payers to fund projects that haven't been proven and just waste money (and line the pockets of democratic doners?)

His response is "it's good business to not pollute the environment and businesses will adjust to protect themselves"
which is such BS.  It's only not good for business if you get caught dumping toxic waste in the water supply or someone like Erin B makes a big stink after hundreds get sick/die


who identifies as having ‘conservative values’ would likely consider responsibility, problem-solving, a sense of morality and right and wrong as part of their core values.

responsibility- corporations do no wrong and the free market is the solution to everything
problem-solving - problem is a lot of companies are getting taxed and regulated, solution hire lobbyists, fake sentients and buy enough congress people to convince the public that these taxes/regs are a bad idea….you know what it works, problem solved
He was convinced that the whole thing was a scam, that people like soros were sending money to university's to do 'fake environmental studies' and you get the results you pay for
also…this guy graduated from Harvard

a sense of morality and right and wrong as part of their core values - yikes, don't know where to start here.  But one thing I've observed it the right definitely has my team is always good and those on the other team are bad…and they do a fantastic job at keeping everyone in line and towing the party rhetoric.  I mean how do you get millions of born-agains to vote for a person who clearly has cheated on many wives, divorced many, openly engaged with prostitutes, how on earth could they back a guy like this.  Because morality has nothing to do with it.  This guy is on my team and his flaws are inconsequential as long as we get what we want (scotus/Roe)

nkotb wrote:
This is kind of what I was getting at…my brother-in-law does think you should, i don't know, recycle or bring usable bags to the grocery store.  He just doesn't think anyone should be forced to do it because of some crazy "Marxist" ideology.

My sister-in-law, on the other hand, brings plastic straws with her on vacation and hands them out at bars.  She also unfriended me on Facebook when I ask her to explain how leftists are using masking as a means of population control.  Whaddaya gonna do?

Mobius wrote:
Even if you believe all opportunities and resources should be exploited - as a pro- business person would - it’s still doesn’t make sense to me why someone with conservative values wouldn’t do so in the most responsible way possible.

What sucks about this, sadly they were correct
The way we do Recycling today…is broken, really bad.  it's not even breaking even.  it costs way more in resouces to collect and process the recyclables than any benefit.  Yes we are keeping tons of trash from filling the land fills.  but a pittance compared to the millions of tons of trash produced.
I mean two trucks have to come to get my trash/recycles.  I gotta imagine you would have to pick up 1 million cans of recyclables to cover the impact of 1 truck, to say nothing about all the other costs/environmental impacts down the line

only thing I can say is recycling is a jobs program, that it's doing well at. Lots of people work in that industry
but it's not saving the environment at all and there are lots of corps making tons of money off this

the plastic straw thing really was a joke too
such little actual impact and an easy target to show how it was kinda stupid
I think they are bad, but when you get your fast food in a plastic bag and styrofom containers…what is the dif of a gram of plastic the straw adds

Trust me, I would give my in-laws the stink eye all the time when they would throw their recyclables in the garbage
Now I feel like I was the one getting played

I think people just need to use less plastic/packaging is the real solution, but good luck with that

the corps won this battle, and they convinced a society that the consumer was the one responsible for this (you know who funded that ad campaign with the crying Indian… Keep America Beautiful, an organization backed by major packaging and drink manufacturers, not environmentalists)

nkotb wrote:
She also unfriended me on Facebook when I ask her to explain how leftists are using masking as a means of population control.

I mean, it seems pretty obvious. If you require me to mask and I have to rely on just these gorgeous green-eyes which have only one setting – locked and loaded – and I can't 1-2-punch it with this baby face also being visible, of course my opportunities to procreate are going to decrease.

Now just imagine the situation for the rest of you.