Electoral college - time for a change?
The fact that the popular vote means nothing is disturbing.
And protests - what? Did you vote?
The fact that the popular vote means nothing is disturbing.
And protests - what? Did you vote?
Maybe we should just elect Trump president
I like the electoral college… Argentina for example has no electoral college.. so candidates just focus on the big 3-4 states…
I hate the result though.. it should say something that Hillary got more votes.. unfortunately it just seems to end up saying sour grapes
I hate the result though.. it should say something that Hillary got more votes.. unfortunately it just seems to end up saying sour grapes
my gripe with the electoral college is it makes the candidates focus on the battle ground states
and pretty much all the other states get no attention and I wonder if the liberals in the red states would have been even more energized to get out since their vote would have really mattered
yeah and these protests (which I've not been following) are really kinda stupid
at very least they shouldn't call them protests and call them 'group mourning' or something else
Because it makes it sound like they are disputing the results and I think that's bad form
and pretty much all the other states get no attention and I wonder if the liberals in the red states would have been even more energized to get out since their vote would have really mattered
yeah and these protests (which I've not been following) are really kinda stupid
at very least they shouldn't call them protests and call them 'group mourning' or something else
Because it makes it sound like they are disputing the results and I think that's bad form
Shemp wrote:
Electoral college - time for a change?
The fact that the popular vote means nothing is disturbing.
And protests - what? Did you vote?
All I know is that the Dems have gotten the most votes in four of the past five elections, but have only gotten the presidency in two of them. Draw what conclusions you may from that.
And the protesters/mourners? More power to them. Protest and free speech are part of the fabric of our nation. I'm loving hearing my Trump-supporting in-law and her Trump supporting friends on Facebook make comments like this:
These fucking dumbass kids have no fucking clue
And they can't even vote yet shut up
ggw wrote:
You can also "thank" women, those under 30, the lower middle class, and hispanics.
Lower Dem turnout rate is pretty fucked. Trump got less votes than the last 2 out of 3 Republican candidates. I guess the Dems who disliked Hillary outweighed the Repubs who disliked Tormp? Mind numbing.
Can you imagine what a fucking crime scene his cabinet is gonna be?
Relaxer wrote:
Can you imagine what a fucking crime scene his cabinet is gonna be?
Sarah Palin in charge of drilling for oil in the national parks. Rudy Guliani in charge of anything.
these are very hard to read, trigger warning, etc etc etc:
Day 1 In Trump's America
https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656
13 Election Reactions That Will Disgust You to Your Core
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a8263120/disgusting-election-reactions/
worth remembering it's just a few bad apples… right?
Day 1 In Trump's America
https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656
13 Election Reactions That Will Disgust You to Your Core
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a8263120/disgusting-election-reactions/
worth remembering it's just a few bad apples… right?
I disagree with the criticism of people currently protesting the election of him. This is how movements are started. Tea partiers have been rallying and protesting Obama for the last eight years.
Hopefully the protests starting today will turn into a motivated electorate in the midterms!
Hopefully the protests starting today will turn into a motivated electorate in the midterms!
Relaxer wrote:
Can you imagine what a fucking crime scene his cabinet is gonna be?
An Apprentice-like reality TV series for choosing cabinet secretaries would be awesome.
DeathFromAbove1979 wrote:ggw wrote:
You can also "thank" women, those under 30, the lower middle class, and hispanics.
Lower Dem turnout rate is pretty fucked. Trump got less votes than the last 2 out of 3 Republican candidates. I guess the Dems who disliked Hillary outweighed the Repubs who disliked Tormp? Mind numbing.
Exactly. Republicans wanted it more.. if you listened to Sean Hannity the day of the election he was- and he did this all week- berating people to get out and vote..
Democrats looked at the polls and thought they had won and some didn't "like" Hillary…also lets be fair: anyone expecting black people to turn out as much for Hillary as they did for Obama was just wrong..it was never going to happen… it is an interesting point because if democrats really want to win they should consider someone like Cory Booker…
IT is really really sad…this was an election that is hard to understand how the hell we could lose…I also think the media and many of us spent too much time laughing and yukking it up about Trump… he just wasn't really taken seriously…
Two other big factors were the bad news about Obamacare .. why the heck couldn't they somehow manage to wait 10 days to deliver it?? And the Comey thing.. I really think Comey sunk her in the end… of course you can add the wikileaks shit.. that didn't help… Hillary's inability to confront trade…trade has been very good for America… unfortunately Bernie pushed her on it and she ceded.. she ended up losing Michigan anyways (in the primaries)… she should have been making the obvious argument that trade has really helped America….
I'm mad and I'm worried.. people like frothing at the mouth Giuliani, Newt etc are going to be running the entire show now… Hannitty… etc. and they got blood in their eyes…they are just do damn angry about everything.. I don't even get what the fuck is so horribly wrong? We've had year after hear of growth, jobs being created. .its just not as fuckin' bad as these people have sold the American people….
This is a really tough loss to swallow cause we should of had this one… at the end of the day though its hard to believe that more Republicans voted for Trump than did democrats for Hillary but its what happened….you could probably count the number of Republicans that had a problem with Trump with one hand! nuts
also lets face it.. the American people are sexist pigs.. I mean come on.. you have Hillary.. super qualified .. super prepared..trashed him in the three debates.. and she gets beat by Donald Frickin' Trump? Come on…
lets call it like it is.. Republicans are racist bigoted sexist pigs… apparently not one of them cared about the dozen plus women that said he groped them etc. .not one cared about the "I grab them by the pussy.. " tape.. NOT ONE??? Not one of the Republican women either??? I mean it defies belief…
lets call it like it is.. Republicans are racist bigoted sexist pigs… apparently not one of them cared about the dozen plus women that said he groped them etc. .not one cared about the "I grab them by the pussy.. " tape.. NOT ONE??? Not one of the Republican women either??? I mean it defies belief…
I mean right wing radio was telling their listeners that their life would be over if Hillary was elected and Trump was not (different variations of this theme.. some more focused on Hillary)….that their way of life…would be over and there would be no way to come back.. that it was their last chance.. that if Hillary was elected hundreds of thousands of Mexicans would be let in.. and hundreds of thousands of muslims… that their way of live.. that America would be over.. Hannity's credo playing every 10 minutes "YOU DECIDE WHETHER AMERICA LIVES OR DIES!!!!!!!!"
Did we have that sense of urgency on our side?
Of course not.. there were still people on the democratic side bitter about Bernie.. .did the Republicans care that Bush and Rubio got emasculated or that Cruz was now a pimp for the guy that screwed his wife? Not a one of them.
We were busy refreshing 538 and going "Oh good.. we got this.." and yukking it up about Trump's latest insanity…
They wanted it more.. that is the sad reality of what it came down to…
Did we have that sense of urgency on our side?
Of course not.. there were still people on the democratic side bitter about Bernie.. .did the Republicans care that Bush and Rubio got emasculated or that Cruz was now a pimp for the guy that screwed his wife? Not a one of them.
We were busy refreshing 538 and going "Oh good.. we got this.." and yukking it up about Trump's latest insanity…
They wanted it more.. that is the sad reality of what it came down to…
white women without college degrees didn't show up to vote for hillary
i can't take the image of trump at the white house with obama…..after all the birth certificate stuff…i just can't handle it
i can't take the image of trump at the white house with obama…..after all the birth certificate stuff…i just can't handle it
Got wrote:
white women without college degrees didn't show up to vote for hillary
i can't take the image of trump at the white house with obama…..after all the birth certificate stuff…i just can't handle it
How do you think he (Obama) feels?
1) Trump ran on a platform of racial resentment.
2) The disenfranchised rural poor and lower middle class, (who are already largely republican) blamed Obama for their poverty.
3) The rural population was further disenfranchised by the social progress - gay marriage, LGBT bathrooms, etc - and blamed liberal city folk for messing with their values.
4) Trump sold the idea -without evidence- that Hilary was criminal.
5) Many women have tragically dismissed sexual harassment as a fact of life and did not consider that to be a major factor in who to vote for.
6) Trump nailed the "Jackass" vote.
Hilary ran on social progress, and to some extent, a continuation of Obama's policies. Yes, she should have won. But no, she didn't get people riled up the way Trump did.
2) The disenfranchised rural poor and lower middle class, (who are already largely republican) blamed Obama for their poverty.
3) The rural population was further disenfranchised by the social progress - gay marriage, LGBT bathrooms, etc - and blamed liberal city folk for messing with their values.
4) Trump sold the idea -without evidence- that Hilary was criminal.
5) Many women have tragically dismissed sexual harassment as a fact of life and did not consider that to be a major factor in who to vote for.
6) Trump nailed the "Jackass" vote.
Hilary ran on social progress, and to some extent, a continuation of Obama's policies. Yes, she should have won. But no, she didn't get people riled up the way Trump did.
White House Press Secretary: Obama and Trump "spent a large portion of the meeting discussing how to properly staff a White House operation"
Things are just gonna go swimming well I see… I'm convinced the next four years are going to little than a long press conference
Things are just gonna go swimming well I see… I'm convinced the next four years are going to little than a long press conference
I'm so over people blaming those who cast supposed "protest votes". Fuck this whole "protest vote" narrative. Unless you write in Mickey Mouse or Grover, a vote is an affirmation, not a protest.
Every election has a few million outlier votes. This one is no different in that regard.
I am horrified at the prospect of a Trump presidency. But his victory sits SQUARELY at the feet of the DNC and HRC. They lost because of their own hubris, their own feeling of entitlement to people's votes. They lost becuase Hillary was a shit candidate, an entirely unlikable candidate. Scratch that…not unlikable, but unliked. Period.
She lost because she was totallly unable to connect with anyone besides the tried and true base of her party. But she was "next in line", so she was shoved down our throats. She in no way captured the hearts and minds of her portion of the electorate that feel disenfranchised and unrepresented. Trump did. He may have done it with sideshow tactics and by appealing to the ugliness in people but he did it.
I am not angry at people who voted third party or write in, I'm angry at the DNC as a whole. At least the GOP electorate had the balls to tell their establishment to go to hell and take matters into their own hands. Unfortunately that leaves us in this horribly frightening predicament.
The takeaway is that people of tired of being served up the same old shit, cycle after cycle. The Dems didn't see the writing on the wall, they couldn't adjust, or wouldnt. Of course this outcome is the last thing I wanted, but all the finger pointing is so unbelievable. They got their ass handed to them by DONALD FUCKING TRUMP. They couldn't even beat him. Shame on the Democratic party for being so blind, so sure of themselves and so entirely narcissistic.
Every election has a few million outlier votes. This one is no different in that regard.
I am horrified at the prospect of a Trump presidency. But his victory sits SQUARELY at the feet of the DNC and HRC. They lost because of their own hubris, their own feeling of entitlement to people's votes. They lost becuase Hillary was a shit candidate, an entirely unlikable candidate. Scratch that…not unlikable, but unliked. Period.
She lost because she was totallly unable to connect with anyone besides the tried and true base of her party. But she was "next in line", so she was shoved down our throats. She in no way captured the hearts and minds of her portion of the electorate that feel disenfranchised and unrepresented. Trump did. He may have done it with sideshow tactics and by appealing to the ugliness in people but he did it.
I am not angry at people who voted third party or write in, I'm angry at the DNC as a whole. At least the GOP electorate had the balls to tell their establishment to go to hell and take matters into their own hands. Unfortunately that leaves us in this horribly frightening predicament.
The takeaway is that people of tired of being served up the same old shit, cycle after cycle. The Dems didn't see the writing on the wall, they couldn't adjust, or wouldnt. Of course this outcome is the last thing I wanted, but all the finger pointing is so unbelievable. They got their ass handed to them by DONALD FUCKING TRUMP. They couldn't even beat him. Shame on the Democratic party for being so blind, so sure of themselves and so entirely narcissistic.
Apparently the swamp isn't being drained it's going to be stocked with bottom feeders..
Ali Rizvi:
In the last 48 hours:
- the Muslim ban policy was quietly removed from Trump's website as voters hit the polls;
- Trump praised Clinton highly and showed a willingness to work with her'
- Trump met with Obama and had a 90-minute conversation (which was originally supposed to be 10 minutes), which Obama called "excellent," with Trump saying it's "an honor" to have met Obama, that he hopes to meet Obama "many more times in the future," and??yes??even declares his intention to call on Obama for "counsel."
To some extent, this is normal transitioning after US presidential elections. But with Trump, a lifelong Democrat until a few years ago, this is going to be really interesting to watch. It's too early to say whether Trump just said whatever he needed to win at the time and will now roll back the worst aspects of it. It's too early to say whether this is that "pivot" he was supposed to make this summer. But, as they say in alt-right parlance, Trump's "cucking" has begun.
There will be no Muslim ban (it's unconstitutional anyway), and no one will be prosecuting Hillary, much less throwing her in jail, to the disappointment of the "Lock her up!" crowd. In fact, for a significant segment of Trump's supporters this past year, there will probably be several more disappointments to come.
This, of course, doesn't mean Trump isn't repellant on many levels. He is. But he's a textbook demagogue. And one thing about demagogues: when their audience and role changes, so do they.
In the last 48 hours:
- the Muslim ban policy was quietly removed from Trump's website as voters hit the polls;
- Trump praised Clinton highly and showed a willingness to work with her'
- Trump met with Obama and had a 90-minute conversation (which was originally supposed to be 10 minutes), which Obama called "excellent," with Trump saying it's "an honor" to have met Obama, that he hopes to meet Obama "many more times in the future," and??yes??even declares his intention to call on Obama for "counsel."
To some extent, this is normal transitioning after US presidential elections. But with Trump, a lifelong Democrat until a few years ago, this is going to be really interesting to watch. It's too early to say whether Trump just said whatever he needed to win at the time and will now roll back the worst aspects of it. It's too early to say whether this is that "pivot" he was supposed to make this summer. But, as they say in alt-right parlance, Trump's "cucking" has begun.
There will be no Muslim ban (it's unconstitutional anyway), and no one will be prosecuting Hillary, much less throwing her in jail, to the disappointment of the "Lock her up!" crowd. In fact, for a significant segment of Trump's supporters this past year, there will probably be several more disappointments to come.
This, of course, doesn't mean Trump isn't repellant on many levels. He is. But he's a textbook demagogue. And one thing about demagogues: when their audience and role changes, so do they.