Maybe we should just elect Trump president

Relaxer wrote:
One one hand, he and almost all of his supporters are the kind of people who are wrong about everything, have no idea what's going on, are mad for no real reason, and aren't interested in learning anything.

On the other hand, it might be fun to have a president that just yells and insults people all the time.


A year and a half later, how say you now?
K8teebug wrote:
So gross (inside and out).

Who else was there on Saturday? Inspiring crowd of people.


I had the flu all last week, and Friday Jan 20th was my mom's birthday. It was a last minute decision, but my mom, sister and I left Frostburg at 5 am. We went with friends who followed us. We passed so many busses going down 68 to 70 to 270, etc. Took the metro from College Park. Got to the national mall at 9:20 am. Was there until 5 pm. I was still slightly sick. Got dehydrated and overwhelmed by the crowds, but it was fucking awesome! We all left feeling inspired. My sister is going to spend today and tomorrow calling Senators about Betsy DeVos. We both have learning disabilities and it really pissed us off when she said some damning stuff about I.D.E.A. In fact, my sister wore a t-shirt she made to the March that stated how I.D.E.A. is what helped her graduate high school.

Anyhow, the march was insane and awesome. Also, a bit surreal because I've done a lot of matches and protests during the Bush administration and I think the largest crowd I had been in was 750k which was for the March for Women's Lives back in 2004. At that march, I was able to actually march. This past Saturday, I was stuck at the Rally and couldn't go very far because of how big the crowds were. On the way home, I told my mom that there had to have been a million people there.
Justin wrote:
Relaxer wrote:
One one hand, he and almost all of his supporters are the kind of people who are wrong about everything, have no idea what's going on, are mad for no real reason, and aren't interested in learning anything.

On the other hand, it might be fun to have a president that just yells and insults people all the time.


A year and a half later, how say you now?


Yeah, I was able to be facetious back then because the idea that he would win was just ridiculous.

That first sentence captures the Trump phenomenon well, and when I posted it around on social media, I got lots of agreement.  
I was there Saturday. Was at 7th and Independence. Was caught in a crush of people for about 20 minutes. That was really the only scary part of the day. Aside from that, an amazing experience. Hope this was not the only march.

Everyone who's near Columbia is also welcome to join me the second sunday of every month from 4-5 at Windstream Drive and Governor Warfield Parkway for the monthly Black Lives Matter Vigil. I've been going for a few months.

Would also recommend joining the DC SURJ meetings (or Baltimore if they're closer to you).

Love that the voicemails for the senators has been full as of late. I have gotten through a few times.

Looking forward to the science march.
I'm in kind of a weird place, divided between two opposing thoughts

1. I'm glad that many of the people who voted for Trump are the ones who are going to feel the effects of his presidency the most, i.e. the people who rely on government or social services (while screaming "GET THE GOVERNMENT OFF MY BACK WHERE'S MY CHECK").  Haha you dumb fuckers, you voted for this, now you reap the consequences. This lump of shit made all these unbelievably retarded promises and claims, and you are such an idiot that you accepted and supported it. Have fun losing your insurance, your job, your home (when the trade wars start), and maybe your life if he starts a stupid war. Remember, this is your own doing. Boo fucking hoo.

versus

2. I'm sad that many of the people who voted for Trump are the ones who will suffer the most because it's not their fault they were lied to, manipulated, seduced, etc. No matter how low and insulting and dishonest and racist Trump and the GOP is and was during the election, a lot of people voted for him because their lives are genuinely bad and they firmly believe politics-as-usual will never benefit them. Being able to think critically is a privilege that not everybody was fortunate enough to inherit/develop and wishing bad things for people already in a shitty situation makes you an asshole.

Ultimately, I'm sticking with #1 but I always have #2 in mind.
I don't think they will suffer as much as you think.. remember their real suffering was their out of control irrational hate of Obama and Hillary… they will be able to put up with/justify/lie to themselves a lot.. you'll see.. they have a bond with Trump… most of them will hold fast unless something really dramatic happens….
Well I think the effects are going to be real. He's already talking about a 20% tax on goods coming in from Mexico. If it happens, that is a very real hit to the wallet of people who are struggling to make ends meet. And for all the shitting on Obamacare, there are many millions of people who have it. If it's repealed with nothing, or dogshit legislation, in place, you're going to see a lot of people with no coverage showing up to emergency rooms.

If you're white, educated and middle class, these things aren't going to have such a huge effect on you. If you're someone living on the margins, or are struggling with finances, or have few job prospects, a Trump presidency is almost certainly going to be disastrous. I know it's way too early to cast judgement, but amid all this activity in his first week, nothing is designed to help the lower income people apart from the usual bombastic rhetoric. It's really sad how much worse it's going to get for a lot of people.
On the other hand, suck it idiots, he's your president.
in case you needed more reasons to hate el trumpista:

Report: Donald Trump Plans to Eliminate National Endowment for the Arts, Privatize Corporation for Public Broadcasting
http://www.spin.com/2017/01/report-donald-trump-plans-to-eliminate-national-endowment-for-the-arts-privatize-corporation-for-public-broadcasting/

and the real doozie:

Donald Trump Has Compelled Audioslave to Reunite
http://www.spin.com/2017/01/audioslave-reuniting-donald-trump/

we cannot idly sit by while these travesties are committed against this country.  we must rise up, as one.
Breaking: Trump and James Ford crushed by order from Judge blocking kicking out muslims with visas…ACLU says "Get ready for losing.. lots of losing Trump"
"Amid the chaos and confusion of President Donald Trump's new executive order on immigration and refugees, sources tell CNN that White House policy director Stephen Miller spoke with officials of the State Department, Customs and Border Patrol, Department of Homeland Security and others to tell them that the President is deeply committed to the executive order and the public is firmly behind it – urging them not to get distracted by what he described as hysterical voices on TV."
https://www.samharris.org/blog/item/a-few-thoughts-on-the-muslim-ban

A Few Thoughts on the ?Muslim Ban?

President Trump has had a busy first week in office, displaying the anarchic grandiosity, callousness, and ineptitude of which he seems uniquely capable. He is every inch what we knew him to be: a malignant Chauncey Gardiner. And now our institutions have begun to shudder at his whim. The fact that atheists like me can?t find the time to worry about the religious crackpots he has brought with him into power is a measure of how bad the man is. Christian fundamentalism has become the least of our concerns. Our democracy has been engulfed by a hurricane of lies.

Many readers have asked me to comment on the president?s executive order suspending immigration from certain Muslim-majority countries. I believe I?ve stated my positions on the relevant topics fairly clearly. But perhaps a brief summary is in order.

1. I did everything I could to make the case against Trump prior to the election (while many of the liberals now attacking me for enabling his ?Islamophobia? actively undermined the candidacy of Hillary Clinton, even in the final days of the campaign).

2. I think Trump?s ?Muslim ban? is a terrible policy. Not only is it unethical with respect to the plight of refugees, it is bound to be ineffective in stopping the spread of Islamism. As many have pointed out, it is also internally inconsistent: It doesn?t include Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, or Lebanon, any of which has been a more fertile source of jihadist terrorism than several of the countries Trump named.

3. However, most of what is being said in opposition to Trump?s order is thoroughly contaminated by identity politics and liberal delusion. The Left seems determined to empower the Right by continuing to lie about the problem of Islamism. As David Frum recently wrote, ?When liberals insist that only fascists will defend borders, then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals won?t do.? I have been saying as much for more than a decade?and am vilified by my fellow liberals whenever I do.

4. It is perfectly possible?and increasingly necessary?to speak about the ideological roots of Islamism and jihadism, and even about the unique need for reform within mainstream Islam itself, without lapsing into bigotry or disregarding the suffering of refugees. Indeed, when one understands the problem for what it is, one realizes that secular Muslims, liberal Muslims, and former Muslims are among the most desirable allies to have in the West?and, indeed, such people are the primary victims of Islamist intolerance and jihadist terror in Muslim-majority countries.

5. If liberals who refuse to speak honestly on these topics continue to march with Islamists, denigrate free speech, and oppose the work of the real reformers in the Muslim community, they will only further provoke and empower Trump. And Trump, in turn, will empower Islamists the world over by threatening the civil liberties of all Muslims within his reach.

6. The next acts of jihadist terrorism to take place on American soil will most likely be met with terrifyingly blunt (and even illegal) countermeasures by the Trump administration. If all that liberals can do in response is continue to lie about the causes of terrorism and lock arms with Islamists, we have some very rough times ahead.

7. If you are listening to obscurantists like Linda Sarsour, Dalia Mogahed, Reza Aslan, and representatives of CAIR, and denigrating true secularists and reformers like Maajid Nawaz, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Raheel Raza, and Sarah Haider, you are part of the problem.


Nothing that I have said or written about Islam, the war on terror, or even ?profiling?[1] stands in contradiction to these points. 

What we need, above all, is a new center to our politics?one that defends secularism, science, and free speech against their enemies on both the Left and the Right. And now we each must choose between supporting that civilizing project or joining in the chaos to come.