Maybe we should just elect Trump president

for all the Bernie haters out there…while it was really a hail mary of a campaign
but it was still a possibility…
but Hillary did a similar move in 2008

Mrs. Clinton did not leave the race immediately after Mr. Obama passed the threshold of delegates needed to secure the nomination (she waited four days). Like Mr. Sanders, she presented the case that she was the stronger candidate

SideSquatch wrote:
for all the Bernie haters out there…while it was really a hail mary of a campaign
but it was still a possibility…
but Hillary did a similar move in 2008

Mrs. Clinton did not leave the race immediately after Mr. Obama passed the threshold of delegates needed to secure the nomination (she waited four days). Like Mr. Sanders, she presented the case that she was the stronger candidate

Hillary was much much closer to Obama than Bernie ever was to Hillary….. Sanders supporters- and the Sanders campaign (for sure Jeff Weaver who is a real first class P R I C K)- lost their grasp on reality after they got whomped in New York… unfortunately Sanders supporters were too stupid to realize what was going on and actually thought the idea of superdelegates overruling the voters was a good idea…is that what you think Sidehatch?  I'm not convinced the Sanders campaign has these noble objectives they claim in keeping on… when Sanders and his campaign began talking about how the primaries were rigged etc.. that is very different from anything Hillary ever did.. even the Sanders attacks on Hillary became detached from reality.. things like saying she is not qualified etc..

I genuinely wonder if Hillary and her people disrespected Sanders.. or maybe he really wants and believed he was entitled to the VP and HRC said no fuckin' way.. otherwise it doesn't make any sense…. before New York the Sanders people seemed to be mellowing out.. things seemed to be heading to their end.. then they freaked… something happened.. the more they lost the crazier they started acting!

I can't believe this is all about the platform.. who gives a shit about the platform. .that stuff is never implemented anyways… or this is all about superdelegates? come on now…

I'm sure somebody on this board knows what happened..

Hutch wrote:Hillary was much much closer to Obama than Bernie ever was to Hillary…..

truth

  the idea of superdelegates overruling the voters was a good idea…is that what you think Sidehatch? 

Huh…I just don't like the whole super delegate thing period, no matter who the candidate

I'm not convinced the Sanders campaign has these noble objectives they claim in keeping on…

I don't agree…

when Sanders and his campaign began talking about how the primaries were rigged etc.. that is very different from anything Hillary ever did..

True, but they were rigged in her favor both times, so not really a fair way to position it

even the Sanders attacks on Hillary became detached from reality.. things like saying she is not qualified etc..

Agreed that was stupid
but the primaries are a little dog eat dog at times
I'm pretty sure 90% of the Bernie supporters will back Hil, he did energize a base of voters (that you seem to malign just about every chance you get…talk about being a prick…) that certainly were not energized by the Hilster
Hopefully the Hillary campaign can find a place for them and I think pulling the Democrats to the left is a good thing

Repubs keep going right…so what to the dems do…go further center, but the repubs never give any ground, so it's never really a compromise the Dems just become less left as time goes on

I just disagree with the conventional "wisdom"… often

I don't give a ratts butt if every patchouli socialist hipster votes for Hillary or not! I don't want to coddle them or "work hard" to get their vote.. the Michael Moores or Susan Sarandons of the world? I couldn't give a rip.. they will forever be consigned to voting for the Naders, Kucinich's of the world… they don't matter.. are irrelevant..

there are way more votes .. WAY MORE in the middle.. and by people that MIGHT vote for Trump or Hillary.. in other words those votes actually count way more in my book.. the leftist wing of the progressives.. the ones that really loathe her… call her a "monster" etc (they do).. those people  , i just have no time for them.. they act as if Hillary needs to try so hard to get them to vote for her.. fuck you.. vote for Trump if you don't like her.. we all know they will not.. either they will hold their nose and vote for Hillary or they will stay home (or vote for the green party or whatever which is the same thing as staying home)… so who should Hillary be targetting? The leftist progressives who will either vote for her or not.. or the far more numerous people in the middle including moderate republicans who won't be able to stomach Trump who WILL either vote for H or Trump?

The answer is obvious.

Sanders really damaged Hillary… I think you are naive not to realize that all his attacks on her regarding Wall Street, or the "release the transcripts" (I mean really! DO you think she went to talk to them and told them they suck? Of course not .. they paid her money and she gave them a nice speech to make them feel good.. so what?)… she is not qualified. .the system was rigged in her favor (this is total bullshit.. but it is true that when you are someone of her stature within a party you do have a bit of an edge.. kind of like a titleholder boxer vs a challenger.. the challenger has to do a bit more… this is why Obama beating Hillary was such an accomplishment.. well Sanders had to do the same but he couldn't get anywhere near…..).. the whole superdelegates thing.. its just so misunderstood… I'm all for getting rid of them but they are not stealing this election for Hillary! SHe won way more pledged delegates and millions more votes.. do Sanders people not get this?

there is this great delusion that there are tens of milions of sanders supporters who won't vote for Hillary.. there just aren't.. what there are, are tens of millions of independents or people who don't bother to participate in either Republican or Democratic primaries.. and these are the people to go after

the problem is that Sanders did tremendous damage to Hillary not with the leftist progressives but with the far more numerous people in the middle that will decide the election…


and your last sentence shows a real misread.. Trump is way more to the left than the conventional Republican so I don't know how you can say they keep going right? The danger in Trump is precisely that on issues like Trade, Foreign Policy he is LEFT of Hillary not like you make it sound that they are farther and farther to the right! and on things like abortion, gays etc Trump couldn't care less about them…  so there is more competition for Hillary, potentially , in the center.. yet you want her to move way left .. this is nuts!

kind of amusing Sidehatch, we look at it completely opposite! gotta go

Hutch wrote:

the problem is that Sanders did tremendous damage to Hillary not with the leftist progressives but with the far more numerous people in the middle that will decide the election…


and your last sentence shows a real misread.. Trump is way more to the left than the conventional Republican

I agree with that…but I wasn't really talking about trump, but just how the dems are not the same party of the 60s and such…maybe I'm just like the Republicans who long for the Regan era or the 50s


I totally agree with you that the independents are how you win the election
I don't know if I agree with you that anything Sanders said will stick and anyone will remember what he said (other than the RNC will constantly be using the sound bytes I bet)

Hutch wrote:
kind of amusing Sidehatch, we look at it completely opposite! gotta go

isn't it great to live in a democracy!

and I will certainly concede that I've got some lofty vision of liberalism that the vast majority of the country scoffs at…so could never get elected

Truth be told, you are right on most of these points…I just like to stir it up a bit

would love to be a fly on the wall at Obama's lunch date today

oh Sanders speaking now..

I'm optimistic

Sanders wailing on Trump

Sanders is strongly in favor of DC statehood

oh.. threw us a little bone at the end.. will work together with Hillary…

Hutch wrote:
oh.. threw us a little bone at the end.. will work together with Hillary…

so barack put the choke hold on and made him submit

but he still said reiterated that he would compete in the D.C. primary next Tuesday and take his campaign issues to the July Democratic National Convention

SideSquatch wrote:

Hutch wrote:
oh.. threw us a little bone at the end.. will work together with Hillary…

so barack put the choke hold on and made him submit

but he still said reiterated that he would compete in the D.C. primary next Tuesday and take his campaign issues to the July Democratic National Convention

the key is "campaign issues" instead of campaign…

wow.. looks like while I was away Obama endorsed Hillary…

Chuck Todd was sure he'd wait until after the DC primary…

I know hutch is going to scream at me…but this made me laugh and cry

The US political spectrum is very thin..very narrow… there isn't room for dramatic changes…but there is room for adjustments and course corrections….

but, does he.