Maybe we should just elect Trump president

K8teebug wrote:

Space wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2016/11/10/im-a-muslim-a-woman-and-an-immigrant-i-voted-for-trump/?postshare=5571478804916292&tid=ss_tw

No, THIS is sad.

I think she raises some fair points, but to think that Trump is the answer is sad. And stupid.

Space wrote:

K8teebug wrote:

Space wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2016/11/10/im-a-muslim-a-woman-and-an-immigrant-i-voted-for-trump/?postshare=5571478804916292&tid=ss_tw

No, THIS is sad.

I think she raises some fair points, but to think that Trump is the answer is sad. And stupid.

^ that is my summary of the entire election: ok, you're frustrated, you feel cheated… but: trump???  really?!?

Space wrote:

K8teebug wrote:

Space wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2016/11/10/im-a-muslim-a-woman-and-an-immigrant-i-voted-for-trump/?postshare=5571478804916292&tid=ss_tw

No, THIS is sad.

I think she raises some fair points, but to think that Trump is the answer is sad. And stupid.

Super sad and super stupid, even with the fair, well-written points. It's INSANE this is where we are. On both sides.

Trump doesn't want calm maybe.. they have a different model.. they want a permanent sense of agitation and to keep their base mobilized/stoked…. He'll probably be doing a dance the entire time.. keeping the base mobilized while trying to appear reasonable to the middle.. kind of like he campaigned.. with Bannon as his chief strategist/counsel shouldn't we expect things to continue… of course Priebus is there to guarantee some not crazy.. but Bannon behind the scenes will continue the crazy.. that would be my guess


its notable that in the end Hillary will have a fairly nice margin in the popular vote.. but that is not the way the game is played.. in the end there is so much to piece together but it does seem that she lost MI, WI and PA by small margins that if the black turnout had been there like it was for Obama would not have been the case…. but of course it was never going to be the case…still if we look at it dispassionately Hillary hardly campaigned in WI or MI… meanwhile she campaigned a ton in NC and the margin of her vote total there is only about 1-2% more than in GA…..You have to wonder how different the result would have been without a campaign…or the debates? They are obviously worse than useless…One can also blame Comey (as I have).. and the Obamacare hikes coming out two weeks before the election? WHo thoguht that one up?

Also the first election since the voting rights act was gutted. I think many people also COULDN'T vote. Not to get to conspiracy about it, but I think this will also be a big story (if the press still exists).

K8teebug wrote:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/civil-war-laws-prevented-voting/

'In 1787 James Madison introduced the Electoral College as an alternative to a popular vote system because, ?Negroes? in the South presented a ?difficulty ? of a serious nature.?'

sweetcell wrote:
senate will flip blue in 2 years, if history holds, so he has 2 years of unfettered power.

33 Senate seats up for grabs.

23 are Democrats (including FL, IN, MO, MI, MN, MT, ND, OH, PA, VA, WI, WV)
2 are Independents who already Caucus with the Dems.
8 are Republicans in AZ, MS, NE, NV, TN, TX, UT and WY.

vansmack wrote:

sweetcell wrote:
senate will flip blue in 2 years, if history holds, so he has 2 years of unfettered power.

33 Senate seats up for grabs.

23 are Democrats (including FL, IN, MO, MI, MN, MT, ND, OH, PA, VA, WI, WV)
2 are Independents who already Caucus with the Dems.
8 are Republicans in AZ, MS, NE, NV, TN, TX, UT and WY.

the Republicans are likely to expand their majority….

hutch wrote:
or the hallellujah..

I don't know…this was unexpected and the perfect way to open
Someone obviously tipped you off…so IMO it's not the same experience
if you didn't know and saw that opening, I think your jaw might have been on the floor

between what really happened with the election and Cohen dying and Kate's awesome Hillary the past few seasons and her unbelievable rendition of the song
for a moment I believed it was Hillary picking a perfect song to do a soliloquy too

His monologue was pretty f'n awesome too.  Most unique one to date

It was kind of a healing moment for me
(sadly similar to 9.11)

sweetcell wrote:
^ that is my summary of the entire election: ok, you're frustrated, you feel cheated… but: trump???  really?!?

For her, no.  But for the majority of the white lower/middle class blue and "light blue" collared workers, yes.

Look, the Democrats lost the labor vote in MI, PA, OH, and WI.  How fucking out of touch are we that the Democrats couldn't even carry the union vote?  The answer is VERY.

oh good lord. you "heal" over an SNL skit? sometimes I hate my generation….its like a fuckin' joke.. people feel better because of an SNL skit.. and I'm not singling you out.. looking at Facebook it seems most people feel like that.. like WOW Chappelle was FUNNY! AWESOME now I feel great!


anyways, lets talk seriously.. Trump might well surprise a lot of people in a positive way… the issue for me is that the things he said and has done are a deal breaker.. I wish it weren't so….but I can't go back.

Trump already spoken to Argentine President Macri…they're actually fairly good friends and used to golf regularly…..Macri comes from a wealthy Argentine family so when he visited NYC he'd go golfing with Trump… no sign of any "grudge" on the part of Trump (Argentina was pretty vocal about wanting Hillary to win..)… Macri told him he expects to see him in Argentina for the G20 summit in 2018.. Trump told Macri he hopes Macri can visit the White House next year… Lets look at the facts: the relationship between Argentina and the US for the past 15 years has been pretty bad due to W and then Argentina having the Kirchners… this is the first time since the 1990s that the two countries might actually get along…

Like I said, Trump might actually be fairly decent.. and the fact he has control of everything means that for a change the President will be able to do what he wants which I realize to most people is terrifying but governmental paralysis really couldn't go on any longer….

Some encouraging signs from Trump also on student loans…

K8teebug wrote:
Also the first election since the voting rights act was gutted. I think many people also COULDN'T vote. Not to get to conspiracy about it, but I think this will also be a big story (if the press still exists).

Yes, there is something here, and it needs to be improved, but don't ignore the fact that Hillary wasn't very appealing to the African American community. 

One other thing to consider, and I suspect there's a book here if somebody wants to take the time to do the research, but the impact the Black Lives Matter movement had on the election.  Given the higher than expected turnout of rural under-educated and under-paid whites, the data is supporting the theory that their movement created a backlash (er, whitelash?) and that backlash voted, but the movement itself stayed home on election day and, possibly, made their situation worse.   

The guy from breitbart.  Enough, said.  Maybe this, is the repeat of the future past.

I wrote:
Blair students stage walkout to protest Trump.  Head to wheaton plaza food court.

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/217384690-story

I'd like to see an all-girls' school walk out in protest.  I can't believe the percentage of women who voted for this guy.  

vansmack wrote:How fucking out of touch are we that the Democrats couldn't even carry the union vote?  The answer is VERY.

I have never been able to wrap my head around Union people who vote Republican
Scott walker was praised as the second coming for 'taking on the unions'
they talk shit about unions all the time
fools to think that Trump is going to bring manufacturing jobs back

hutch wrote:
oh good lord. you "heal" over an SNL skit? sometimes I hate my generation….its like a fuckin' joke.. people feel better because of an SNL skit.. and I'm not singling you out.. looking at Facebook it seems most people feel like that.. like WOW Chappelle was FUNNY! AWESOME now I feel great!

dude…take a chill pill.  You don't think Music and comedy have healing properties
I did not say that "oh I saw that show and now everything is sunshine and rainbows"
No this is worst case scenario and that was anodyne
didn't make it go away

But to me, it ended that shit week in a way I didn't expect from a place I didn't expect

sadHatch wrote:

vansmack wrote:How fucking out of touch are we that the Democrats couldn't even carry the union vote?  The answer is VERY.

I have never been able to wrap my head around Union people who vote Republican
Scott walker was praised as the second coming for 'taking on the unions'
they talk shit about unions all the time
fools to think that Trump is going to bring manufacturing jobs back

I never understand why people think all union voters should vote democratic.. or all evangelicals should vote Republican ..  people are not one issue voters… pretty much the only people that seem to vote one way no matter what are african americans…. the latest one issue voters according to the media seem to be Latinos and they didn't vote for Hillary overwhelmingly enough apparently.. well Latinos don't just vote on immigration…many of us are here legally- ummm like were born here maybe- and don't particularly care for illegals coming in to the country either.. when I hear Trump saying he is going to deport people here illegally who have commited crimes I am not too bothered to be honest… having pro Latino policies should not be equated with being pro illegal immigration..

vansmack wrote:

One other thing to consider, and I suspect there's a book here if somebody wants to take the time to do the research, but the impact the Black Lives Matter movement had on the election.  Given the higher than expected turnout of rural under-educated and under-paid whites, the data is supporting the theory that their movement created a backlash (er, whitelash?) and that backlash voted, but the movement itself stayed home on election day and, possibly, made their situation worse.   

So how much of that was because of apathy and how much of it was because the media said it was a done deal for her and there was no use showing up?  It's a little late now.

Shemp wrote:
So how much of that was because of apathy and how much of it was because the media said it was a done deal for her and there was no use showing up?  It's a little late now.

The second question is a good one.  It definitely had an impact on the states she was already going to win, however, turnout was still high in the swing states she lost.  We don't have all the data yet, but the increase in early returns showed that Hispanics were turning out for her, but not necessarily African Americans.  Voters long lines and the media all played a part, but not to the tune of 2 million less African Americans than 2012 - an 11% reduction - and she lost 5% of those African Americans that did vote (93% in 2012 compared to 88% in 2016).  Those numbers were definitely factors in Detroit, Philadelphia, Milwaukee and Cleveland.