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Julian, wrote:

atomic wrote:
Satirical??? I thought it was just a bunch of random words on a Coachella poster meant to annoy.  Didn't we just ask someone to explain the previous one and they didn't come up with a valid explanation for its posting.  Maybe we could have a separate thread for these.     

The one you quoted and alleged as trolling (it starts with Hahaha) is somewhat satirical. It sarcastically lists fake bands under the pretense that its funny to do so (hence all the band names based around Haha, Much Funny, Do you get it?) when, in fact, the point of the poster is to highlight that making fake Coachella posters is in no way funny. It hopes to shame people who think its funny into realizing its not and stop doing it.

Ok I get it now.  I still dont' like it.  From what I gather Satire is humor that isn't funny. Wasn't Tropic Thunder supposed to be satire?  It was basically just a very bad movie but it was supposed to be funny because it was like other bad movies? Never got it.

hutch wrote:
to me a troll is someone who posts stuff just to get a rise/reaction or get under people's skin…
their posts are often reactive so if you say the sky is blue they'll come in with "what do you mean , the sky is black…."…to me that's often trolling..

personally i like friendly/ridiculous trolling though whereas what i call personal trolling is detestable…… if i hear one more word about someone's awesome parenting choices and the "guide to why my life is the wiener schnitzel" i'll retch…

Yeah parenting choices.  I guess it is easy to make parenting suggestions when you don't have kids.  Perhaps, I should stop doing that until I have a kid.

hutch wrote:
to me a troll is someone who posts stuff just to get a rise/reaction or get under people's skin…
their posts are often reactive so if you say the sky is blue they'll come in with "what do you mean , the sky is black…."…to me that's often trolling..

To me, trolling is pretending you believe a certain thing that's provocative/outrageous in hopes of soliciting angry responses from people who are under the misguided view that you actually believe said thing. Trolling doesn't "work" if people are not convinced that the troll ACTUALLY believes what they're saying, otherwise they won't get the requisite level of "upset" to get into an argument over it. I don't want to get into too META of a discussion but the thing that's weird about this community is many don't seem to see the difference between intended satirical material in the vein of TheOnion.com and "trolling."

For example, you might not like The Onion. You might not think its funny. You might think its satire is too hamfisted or its points too obvious. Those are legitimate complaints. But to say The Onion is "trolling," for example, is absurd. No one is "trolled" by The Onion. Nobody reads "Voters Shocked Christie Botched Such An Easy Political Cover-Up" and actually thinks that's true. But if you post that same thing here, there's 20% of this board who is going to argue tooth and nail, "THAT ISN'T TRUE! AND LET ME SHOW YOU EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE TO PROVE VOTERS AREN'T ACTUALLY UPSET ABOUT THAT!"

atomic wrote:
Wasn't Tropic Thunder supposed to be satire?

I never saw it and cannot speak intelligently on the subject.

Julian, wrote:

hutch wrote:
to me a troll is someone who posts stuff just to get a rise/reaction or get under people's skin…
their posts are often reactive so if you say the sky is blue they'll come in with "what do you mean , the sky is black…."…to me that's often trolling..

To me, trolling is pretending you believe a certain thing that's provocative/outrageous in hopes of soliciting angry responses from people who are under the misguided view that you actually believe said thing. I don't want to get into too META of a discussion but the thing that's weird about this community is many don't seem to see the difference between intended satirical material in the vein of TheOnion.com and "trolling."

For example, you might not like The Onion. You might not think its funny. You might think its satire is too hamfisted or its points too obvious. Those are legitimate complaints. But to say The Onion is "trolling," for example, is absurd. No one is "trolled" by The Onion. Nobody reads "Voters Shocked Christie Botched Such An Easy Political Cover-Up" and actually thinks that's true. But if you post that same thing here, there's 20% of this board who is going to argue tooth and nail, "THAT ISN'T TRUE! AND LET ME SHOW YOU EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE TO PROVE VOTERS AREN'T ACTUALLY UPSET ABOUT THAT!"

Well I guess if you posted it on a New Jersey Republican forum that would be considered trolling.  Just like if I said I didn't like Buddy Guy on a Buddy Guy forum. On here is it just an opinion.

I'm not sure how bragging about one's parenting choices is "trolling". I just wish all future parents were required to take parenting classes before they actually were allowed to become parents.

atomic wrote:

hutch wrote:
to me a troll is someone who posts stuff just to get a rise/reaction or get under people's skin…
their posts are often reactive so if you say the sky is blue they'll come in with "what do you mean , the sky is black…."…to me that's often trolling..

personally i like friendly/ridiculous trolling though whereas what i call personal trolling is detestable…… if i hear one more word about someone's awesome parenting choices and the "guide to why my life is the wiener schnitzel" i'll retch…

Yeah parenting choices.  I guess it is easy to make parenting suggestions when you don't have kids.  Perhaps, I should stop doing that until I have a kid.

James wrote:
I'm not sure how bragging about one's parenting choices is "trolling". I just wish all future parents were required to take parenting classes before they actually were allowed to become parents.

atomic wrote:

hutch wrote:
to me a troll is someone who posts stuff just to get a rise/reaction or get under people's skin…
their posts are often reactive so if you say the sky is blue they'll come in with "what do you mean , the sky is black…."…to me that's often trolling..

personally i like friendly/ridiculous trolling though whereas what i call personal trolling is detestable…… if i hear one more word about someone's awesome parenting choices and the "guide to why my life is the wiener schnitzel" i'll retch…

Yeah parenting choices.  I guess it is easy to make parenting suggestions when you don't have kids.  Perhaps, I should stop doing that until I have a kid.

What are you going to do prevent people from having sex?  Poor people are going to have a bunch of kids and not take care of them.  That is how things work.  The solution is to change the laws so everyone makes enough money to be able to take care of their kids. 

Julian, wrote:

James wrote:
I was recently accused by moderators of a beer message board for "trolling" because I (respectfully, without any condescending comments to other humans, imo) posted in a thread about Beer A that I wouldn't be buying Beer A this year because Beer B was just as good and less expensive. When I asked a moderator why I was accused of "trolling", I was told "This thread is about Beer A. If you want to compare it to Beer B, you need to start a new thread."

We have a thread about show listings and if someone has the audacity to discuss the show listings, we fracture it off to another thread. And then if we want to discuss who is going to the show, we have to split off to a third thread. And then if we want to discuss how the show was, we go to a fourth thread. And then if we want to post a photo of the show, we have to go to a fifth thread. And if you don't do that, people act like the very fabric of the messageboard is getting ripped apart. And if we actually wish to have an interchange of information/discussion about this concert, we have to hope the 4% of the board who went to/is interested in the same concert as us, diligently checks all five of these threads to follow the progression. Its kafkaesque.

But, no, I have no idea why our community is on life-support.

well now that's just moronic.  your solution would be to limit the board to one mega-thread, where everything - announcements, commentary, photos, football analysis, political trolling and "hey who's going to this show" - gets posted?

that's called /b/.  yeah, that would be an improvement.

You mean change the laws so that one parent can stay home and take care of the young children? How would you propose they do that?

atomic wrote:

James wrote:
I'm not sure how bragging about one's parenting choices is "trolling". I just wish all future parents were required to take parenting classes before they actually were allowed to become parents.

atomic wrote:

hutch wrote:
to me a troll is someone who posts stuff just to get a rise/reaction or get under people's skin…
their posts are often reactive so if you say the sky is blue they'll come in with "what do you mean , the sky is black…."…to me that's often trolling..

personally i like friendly/ridiculous trolling though whereas what i call personal trolling is detestable…… if i hear one more word about someone's awesome parenting choices and the "guide to why my life is the wiener schnitzel" i'll retch…

Yeah parenting choices.  I guess it is easy to make parenting suggestions when you don't have kids.  Perhaps, I should stop doing that until I have a kid.

What are you going to do prevent people from having sex?  Poor people are going to have a bunch of kids and not take care of them.  That is how things work.  The solution is to change the laws so everyone makes enough money to be able to take care of their kids. 

Julian, wrote:

hutch wrote:
to me a troll is someone who posts stuff just to get a rise/reaction or get under people's skin…
their posts are often reactive so if you say the sky is blue they'll come in with "what do you mean , the sky is black…."…to me that's often trolling..

To me, trolling is pretending you believe a certain thing that's provocative/outrageous in hopes of soliciting angry responses from people who are under the misguided view that you actually believe said thing.

I would agree with that……I still think it can be fun…..Atomic is the best example of course…its the kind of trolling i like….actually without Atomic this board would be pretty boring..he's the second most important boardie after the catman… James Ford on the other hand is the kind of trolling I loathe….but I can see how people would say that Ford is not trolling..its a little subtler and most people might say that's not trolling, tis just an unpleasant person…

James wrote:
I'm not sure how bragging about one's parenting choices is "trolling". I just wish all future parents were required to take parenting classes before they actually were allowed to become parents.

and there he goes again..

if only everyone was as good a parent as James Ford.

puke.

I'm certainly far from perfect.

But it just seems like we as a society don't make enough effort into making the choices that are best for our children. Would you disagree with that statement?

hutch wrote:

James wrote:
I'm not sure how bragging about one's parenting choices is "trolling". I just wish all future parents were required to take parenting classes before they actually were allowed to become parents.

and there he goes again..

if only everyone was as good a parent as James Ford.

puke.

hutch wrote:

James wrote:
I'm not sure how bragging about one's parenting choices is "trolling". I just wish all future parents were required to take parenting classes before they actually were allowed to become parents.

and there he goes again..

if only everyone was as good a parent as James Ford.

puke.

I was also wondering what classes JF took?
or was he homeschooled?

James wrote:
You mean change the laws so that one parent can stay home and take care of the young children? How would you propose they do that?

atomic wrote:

James wrote:
I'm not sure how bragging about one's parenting choices is "trolling". I just wish all future parents were required to take parenting classes before they actually were allowed to become parents.

atomic wrote:

hutch wrote:
to me a troll is someone who posts stuff just to get a rise/reaction or get under people's skin…
their posts are often reactive so if you say the sky is blue they'll come in with "what do you mean , the sky is black…."…to me that's often trolling..

personally i like friendly/ridiculous trolling though whereas what i call personal trolling is detestable…… if i hear one more word about someone's awesome parenting choices and the "guide to why my life is the wiener schnitzel" i'll retch…

Yeah parenting choices.  I guess it is easy to make parenting suggestions when you don't have kids.  Perhaps, I should stop doing that until I have a kid.

What are you going to do prevent people from having sex?  Poor people are going to have a bunch of kids and not take care of them.  That is how things work.  The solution is to change the laws so everyone makes enough money to be able to take care of their kids. 

No I meant raising minimum wage …lowering day care costs, lowering health care costs, making college free for everyone that scores above a certain level on standardized tests.  You still have to work. 

The problem with lowering taxes and stupid things like these is people just pay more for used houses.  Really doesn't help the economy at all. 

I have a Master's in Education and six years of teaching experience. So at least some training/experience in dealing with children.
;)
However, I would welcome some sort of required parenting classes, as would happily sigh up as soon as they are available.

Sidehatch wrote:

hutch wrote:

James wrote:
I'm not sure how bragging about one's parenting choices is "trolling". I just wish all future parents were required to take parenting classes before they actually were allowed to become parents.

and there he goes again..

if only everyone was as good a parent as James Ford.

puke.

I was also wondering what classes JF took?
or was he homeschooled?

James wrote:
I'm certainly far from perfect.

But it just seems like we as a society don't make enough effort into making the choices that are best for our children. Would you disagree with that statement?

hutch wrote:

James wrote:
I'm not sure how bragging about one's parenting choices is "trolling". I just wish all future parents were required to take parenting classes before they actually were allowed to become parents.

and there he goes again..

if only everyone was as good a parent as James Ford.

puke.

Lowering crime would help.  I also think allowing to get tax credits or even tax credits for paying for private education would help.  And letting people put their kids into any public school in the state.  Why should kids be forced to go to an awful school just because their parents aren't living in a rich neighborhood.

I never hear you offering suggestions on how to improve things though.  Let us here how you would make the country better.  

James wrote:
I have a Master's in Education and six years of teaching experience. So at least some training/experience in dealing with children.
;)
However, I would welcome some sort of required parenting classes, as would happily sigh up as soon as they are available.

Sidehatch wrote:

hutch wrote:

James wrote:
I'm not sure how bragging about one's parenting choices is "trolling". I just wish all future parents were required to take parenting classes before they actually were allowed to become parents.

and there he goes again..

if only everyone was as good a parent as James Ford.

puke.

I was also wondering what classes JF took?
or was he homeschooled?

The reason you have a masters in education is you have six years teaching experience.  Everyone knows the reason people get masters in education is not to help be better teachers , they get it because they are paid more to teach.  I have read an article that says the only master degree that help teachers become better at teaching is Masters in Mathematics.

I think they should do away with day care altogether and pay people parental leave (one parent anyway) for the first two or three years of the child's life.

Who in their right mind really thinks it's a good idea to hand over a three month old baby to  strangers to raise all day?

atomic wrote:

James wrote:
You mean change the laws so that one parent can stay home and take care of the young children? How would you propose they do that?

atomic wrote:

James wrote:
I'm not sure how bragging about one's parenting choices is "trolling". I just wish all future parents were required to take parenting classes before they actually were allowed to become parents.

atomic wrote:

hutch wrote:
to me a troll is someone who posts stuff just to get a rise/reaction or get under people's skin…
their posts are often reactive so if you say the sky is blue they'll come in with "what do you mean , the sky is black…."…to me that's often trolling..

personally i like friendly/ridiculous trolling though whereas what i call personal trolling is detestable…… if i hear one more word about someone's awesome parenting choices and the "guide to why my life is the wiener schnitzel" i'll retch…

Yeah parenting choices.  I guess it is easy to make parenting suggestions when you don't have kids.  Perhaps, I should stop doing that until I have a kid.

What are you going to do prevent people from having sex?  Poor people are going to have a bunch of kids and not take care of them.  That is how things work.  The solution is to change the laws so everyone makes enough money to be able to take care of their kids. 

No I meant raising minimum wage …lowering day care costs, lowering health care costs, making college free for everyone that scores above a certain level on standardized tests.  You still have to work. 

The problem with lowering taxes and stupid things like these is people just pay more for used houses.  Really doesn't help the economy at all.   

I see what you are saying, but in my case I actually went into a masters in education program and completed it before actually setting foot in a classroom (except for a short unpaid student teaching assignment that was part of my classwork).

Not that it matters.

atomic wrote:

James wrote:
I have a Master's in Education and six years of teaching experience. So at least some training/experience in dealing with children.
;)
However, I would welcome some sort of required parenting classes, as would happily sigh up as soon as they are available.

Sidehatch wrote:

hutch wrote:

James wrote:
I'm not sure how bragging about one's parenting choices is "trolling". I just wish all future parents were required to take parenting classes before they actually were allowed to become parents.

and there he goes again..

if only everyone was as good a parent as James Ford.

puke.

I was also wondering what classes JF took?
or was he homeschooled?

The reason you have a masters in education is you have six years teaching experience.  Everyone knows the reason people get masters in education is not to help be better teachers , they get it because they are paid more to teach.   I have read an article that says the only master degree that help teachers become better at teaching is Masters in Mathematics.

James wrote:
I think they should do away with day care altogether and pay people parental leave (one parent anyway) for the first two or three years of the child's life.

Who in their right mind really thinks it's a good idea to hand over a three month old baby to  strangers to raise all day?

atomic wrote:

James wrote:
You mean change the laws so that one parent can stay home and take care of the young children? How would you propose they do that?

atomic wrote:

James wrote:
I'm not sure how bragging about one's parenting choices is "trolling". I just wish all future parents were required to take parenting classes before they actually were allowed to become parents.

atomic wrote:

hutch wrote:
to me a troll is someone who posts stuff just to get a rise/reaction or get under people's skin…
their posts are often reactive so if you say the sky is blue they'll come in with "what do you mean , the sky is black…."…to me that's often trolling..

personally i like friendly/ridiculous trolling though whereas what i call personal trolling is detestable…… if i hear one more word about someone's awesome parenting choices and the "guide to why my life is the wiener schnitzel" i'll retch…

Yeah parenting choices.  I guess it is easy to make parenting suggestions when you don't have kids.  Perhaps, I should stop doing that until I have a kid.

What are you going to do prevent people from having sex?  Poor people are going to have a bunch of kids and not take care of them.  That is how things work.  The solution is to change the laws so everyone makes enough money to be able to take care of their kids. 

No I meant raising minimum wage …lowering day care costs, lowering health care costs, making college free for everyone that scores above a certain level on standardized tests.  You still have to work. 

The problem with lowering taxes and stupid things like these is people just pay more for used houses.  Really doesn't help the economy at all.   

I think in Norway businesses are required to give a year paid leave to mothers.  But Norway also has a million dollars of governement surplus per person.