Things Smackie Thinks You Need to Know...

nkotb wrote:
but this is the TV we use in the rare cases that we let the kid watch PBS or whatever.


Please, think of the children
Hey, I'd agree…he's a boy, so the more we get him outside and moving, the easier my life is.  But when it's early in the morning, or he's sick, I'm not opposed to a little TV time.  That's why I generally walk around with the Ziggy Marley-penned them to Arthur in my head.  Check it out…it really is a gem: http://pbskids.org/arthur/games/songbook/theme.html

I"m at work, Smackie, so I can't tell you 100%, but I know there is at least an HDMI input into the back, most likely components too.

ggw wrote:
nkotb wrote:
but this is the TV we use in the rare cases that we let the kid watch PBS or whatever.


Please, think of the children
First off - don't defend how you raise your child to anyone.

Secondly, if the TV has HDMI, I think the price of the Logitech Revue warrants purchase for simple web browsing and streaming on a TV.  I purchased a Nettop for streaming web content to a TV here in my office for about $199 when the Logitech Revue was at $299.  But now that it's sub $100 (I've seen it as low as $70, but you should expect to see it for around $89-$99) I think it's a steal.

I know you're an Apple guy, but the Apple TV does not do web browsing without an iPhone present.  The Revue does it natively.

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/smartTV

If all you need is streaming TV with no web browsing, the Roku2 has over 300 channels (you're bound to find something) and is around $60 for the base model which will be more than fine.

http://www.roku.com/roku-products
vansmack wrote:
If all you need is streaming TV with no web browsing, the Roku2 has over 300 channels (you're bound to find something) and is around $60 for the base model which will be more than fine.

http://www.roku.com/roku-products


Be careful. Unless you also stream via Amazon, Netflix and/or Hulu Plus, it's loaded with a lot of junk.

Currently, I'm looking at the Veebeam but haven't made up my mind yet. One thing that I do not like is that you must choose either one that works with HD or the one that can be used with older tvs with the RCA inputs. I'd much rather have one that allows for both as the Roku 2 XS does. Would even pay more to be able to do so. It just pays to allow for versatility. I'm just not sure that it will allow for streaming anything you can view on your computer. Roku doesn't. Even the USB stations are buggy and limited as all get out.
First off, I agree.  But GGW is the exception.  I feel answering to him betters me…and the world.

Second, neither of those have subscriptions (beyond OnDemand or other subscriptions)?  That's amazing.  What a time to be alive.

Thanks…I think that's exactly what I needed.

vansmack wrote:
First off - don't defend how you raise your child to anyone.

Secondly, if the TV has HDMI, I think the price of the Logitech Revue warrants purchase for simple web browsing and streaming on a TV.  I purchased a Nettop for streaming web content to a TV here in my office for about $199 when the Logitech Revue was at $299.  But now that it's sub $100 (I've seen it as low as $70, but you should expect to see it for around $89-$99) I think it's a steal.

I know you're an Apple guy, but the Apple TV does not do web browsing without an iPhone present.  The Revue does it natively.

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/smartTV

If all you need is streaming TV with no web browsing, the Roku2 has over 300 channels (you're bound to find something) and is around $60 for the base model which will be more than fine.

http://www.roku.com/roku-products

Actually, that's the plan: using Netflix and Hulu (mostly…also streaming stuff via the web) subscriptions.

Jaguar wrote:
vansmack wrote:
If all you need is streaming TV with no web browsing, the Roku2 has over 300 channels (you're bound to find something) and is around $60 for the base model which will be more than fine.

http://www.roku.com/roku-products


Be careful. Unless you also stream via Amazon, Netflix and/or Hulu Plus, it's loaded with a lot of junk.

Currently, I'm looking at the Veebeam but haven't made up my mind yet. One thing that I do not like is that you must choose either one that works with HD or the one that can be used with older tvs with the RCA inputs. I'd much rather have one that allows for both as the Roku 2 XS does. Would even pay more to be able to do so. It just pays to allow for versatility. I'm just not sure that it will allow for streaming anything you can view on your computer. Roku doesn't. Even the USB stations are buggy and limited as all get out.
nkotb wrote:
Second, neither of those have subscriptions (beyond OnDemand or other subscriptions)?  That's amazing.  What a time to be alive.


No.  No subscription fees for the devices, but some of the content might not be (Amazon, Hulu+, Netflix, etc.). 

If it were me, I would get the Logitech Revue.  Much more flexible than the Roku and I expect it will be improved on soon by Google.
@NKOTB: Then it will be worth it. But do realize that it only streams Hulu Plus, not the freebie streams. Just make sure you go for the Roku 2XS, if you go for one of their products. Also get it through their website and buy the discounted HDMI cable and the extra memory chip. It will also include free shipping.

Smackie and Chaz, I'd still like to know your takes on the Veebeam.
vansmack wrote:
If it were me, I would get the Logitech Revue.  Much more flexible than the Roku and I expect it will be improved on soon by Google.


I just talked to my buddy who has Google TV and he said to tell you that Hulu Support is not native on the Plus, there are work arounds, and that you need not worry because "it's coming ;)"

That means that either Honeycomb or Ice Cream Sandwich are on their way to the GTV device.
Jaguar wrote:
Smackie and Chaz, I'd still like to know your takes on the Veebeam.


$99 for a wireless PC-to-TV Link seems steep to me, especially as I no longer own a PC.

I think the other devices listed at equal or lesser prices serve to remove the PC from the entertainment center and that's the future.
so . . . is blu ray dead yet?  i have one, but rarely watch anything on it, and when i do i have to readjust the sound settings on the tv so the background noise doesn't drown out the dialogue.  great way to watch movies but it seems tedious and not worth it at times.
vansmack wrote:
Jaguar wrote:
Smackie and Chaz, I'd still like to know your takes on the Veebeam.


$99 for a wireless PC-to-TV Link seems steep to me, especially as I no longer own a PC.

I think the other devices listed at equal or lesser prices serve to remove the PC from the entertainment center and that's the future.


Okay, look at it this way:

I'd like something that allows me to stream anything I can stream on my (pretty decent) PC onto an old crappy tv. Of course, would prefer the ability to use it on a better HD tv whenever my fortunes greatly improve. That's not happening anytime soon.

I've got ~$100 to play with and that's it.

Ideally, a temporary fix to (hopefully) a better step up down the road which will then have even more options available to consider. The way things are looking, that's going to be a long road too.
Honestly Jag, I would save my money for a couple months and buy a better TV.  It makes no sense to take a wonderful picture from your desktop (at least 1080p) and down res it to a 480p TV.
walkonby wrote:
so . . . is blu ray dead yet? 


Blu-Ray was dead before it arrived, and I told you that on this board somewhere when I declared that tangible media was dead.
vansmack wrote:
I expect it will be improved on soon by Google.


have you heard anything on timing for the google tv honeycomb update?
vansmack wrote:
walkonby wrote:
so . . . is blu ray dead yet? 


Blu-Ray was dead before it arrived, and I told you that on this board somewhere when I declared that tangible media was dead.


i know you did . . . that is why i mentioned it here.  you're such the vanstrodamus.
vansmack wrote:
Honestly Jag, I would save my money for a couple months and buy a better TV.  It makes no sense to take a wonderful picture from your desktop (at least 1080p) and down res it to a 480p TV.


I thought about that but, sadly, it would take me more than a couple months to save up enough for a better tv. Besides, there are other issues involved with that which I prefer to not post here.

The resolution thing is an issue though now that you mention it.

Hmmm, maybe I will hold off and allow procrastination to kick in. Sometimes that works in my favor. I've gotten use to settling for my laptop screen which is about medium sized. It's really only an issue when I'm trying to view something with other people. Between the size and the glare from an angle, it's not even worth it.

Thanks for your input.
HoyaSaxa03 wrote:
have you heard anything on timing for the google tv honeycomb update?


On October 4, Google said it was "probably 3-4 weeks away"
Jag - there's no need to go wireless then in the short term.  Just get a VGA to Composite (RCA Jacks) or Component cable if your TV supports is (RGB) for $10 hook up your laptop to your TV that way.  That would run you under $10.
vansmack wrote:
Jag - there's no need to go wireless then in the short term.  Just get a VGA to Composite (RCA Jacks) or Component cable if your TV supports is (RGB) for $10 hook up your laptop to your TV that way.  That would run you under $10.


Several months ago, I was going to buy this which was suggested to me….. but then I read this:

"Product Description
This cable allows you to view pictures and videos from camcorders on your USB-enabled television or on your PC.
This item does not come with any software and HDE cannot provide any.
THIS CABLE WILL NOT WORK FOR CONNECTING A COMPUTER TO A TV. You cannot get an image signal through a USB port that way. This cable is not transferring data or files, it is only for viewing images on RCA-equipped camcorders."

Sounds like it won't work though not sure either.