COVID-19 2020

"The answer goes back to the U.S.'s approach at the start of the pandemic. The U.S. government — under both Trump and Biden — didn't oversee and pay for universal at-home testing the way it did with vaccines."

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/10/1062700278/how-the-u-s-got-on-the-slow-track-with-at-home-covid-tests

Starsky wrote:
Why wasn’t this done in February

Government incompetence

And it’s an expensive government we pay for…

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-joe-biden-health-jen-psaki-08ee41d8e7c0af1ad8b4dfb7b434ea61

excontraindication wrote:

Starsky wrote:
Why wasn’t this done in February

Government incompetence

And it’s an expensive government we pay for…

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-joe-biden-health-jen-psaki-08ee41d8e7c0af1ad8b4dfb7b434ea61

Wait. Which is it? The government is too expensive,  or the government should have spent all this money a year ago?

It’s both.

Starsky wrote:

excontraindication wrote:

Starsky wrote:
Why wasn’t this done in February

Government incompetence

And it’s an expensive government we pay for…

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-joe-biden-health-jen-psaki-08ee41d8e7c0af1ad8b4dfb7b434ea61

Wait. Which is it? The government is too expensive,  or the government should have spent all this money a year ago?

It’s both.

I feel like you have to choose between large, interventionist government, or small, laissez faire government. You can't really have both (or neither). Otherwise you just look like someone who likes to criticize everything.

You can have a small government that does the things it’s supposed to do.

I mean giant bailouts for corporations is not something- typically- I think government should do.

Putting out covid test kits 18 months into a pandemic that has killed a million Americans seems like a nobrainer and will save government money.

But why should the government even be providing free test kits at all? Consumers who want them should just go and get them. Making them free won't have a huge impact on whether or not they're used. IF the government mails every household a test kit, nearly 1/3 to 1/2 of them will be wasted. Is that the way small government should work?

Big fan of all the disposable masks and a few hundred million unused tests being thrown in a dump taking 100s of years to decompose.

The Mountain Goat
https://fb.watch/a3lIKmMyeo/

Not really opining on whether they should be mailed to people or free.

Beyond my pay grade.


I just don’t think they are widely available enough.

They should at the very least be widely and easily available and inexpensive to encourage their use.

Why? Public health.

I don’t really get your thinking. Me saying government is wasteful doesn’t preclude one from saying government ought to spend money on something.

These kind of arguments remind me of people who come down on Springsteen cause he is rich or people who think you can’t be interested in the environment and take a plane. It’s all about nuance.

hasn't some boardie been beating this 'free and easy' testing since May of 2020

excontraindication wrote:
The Mountain Goat
https://fb.watch/a3lIKmMyeo/

is he immortal now?  Keeps saying that he's not going to die

I thought we were talking about the role of government, and I also thought you were making 2 arguments that were in opposition to each other.

I just don’t see anything contradictory about saying government is wasteful and should be as limited as possible AND that in a pandemic which has killed a million Americans government should play a role and spend money to further public health.

Now if I had said government should not exist or government should never spend a nickel AND then said government should spend money on test  kits then that would be contradictory.

both DC9 and Union stage this week are now requiring proof of vax for entry

DC9 also listed the booster: After February 1st, we are requiring all patrons to show proof that they are at least 2 weeks past receiving a second vaccine dose—ie: 2 shots of Moderna/Pfizer or the Johnson&Johnson shot + booster

well I guess only if you got the J&J

good

beleaguered wrote:
both DC9 and Union stage this week are now requiring proof of vax for entry

DC9 also listed the booster: After February 1st, we are requiring all patrons to show proof that they are at least 2 weeks past receiving a second vaccine dose—ie: 2 shots of Moderna/Pfizer or the Johnson&Johnson shot + booster

well I guess only if you got the J&J

beleaguered wrote:
both DC9 and Union stage this week are now requiring proof of vax for entry

DC9 also listed the booster: After February 1st, we are requiring all patrons to show proof that they are at least 2 weeks past receiving a second vaccine dose—ie: 2 shots of Moderna/Pfizer or the Johnson&Johnson shot + booster

well I guess only if you got the J&J

i think theyve both been requiring proof of vax already.

I thought I read somewhere that City Winery NYC is requiring vaccines and a negative test result within 24 hours of the show.

This is news to me about DC requiring proof of vaccination for restaurants and other indoor gatherings effective January 15


https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/major-us-cities-vaccine-test-mandates-covid-19/index.html

Space wrote:

beleaguered wrote:
both DC9 and Union stage this week are now requiring proof of vax for entry

DC9 also listed the booster: After February 1st, we are requiring all patrons to show proof that they are at least 2 weeks past receiving a second vaccine dose—ie: 2 shots of Moderna/Pfizer or the Johnson&Johnson shot + booster

well I guess only if you got the J&J

i think theyve both been requiring proof of vax already.

no, this is fairly new.  IMP was one of the few in the area you needed proof of vax
you were previously able to show a recent negative test

Starsky wrote:
This is news to me about DC requiring proof of vaccination for restaurants and other indoor gatherings effective January 15


https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/major-us-cities-vaccine-test-mandates-covid-19/index.html

and this makes sense why they changed the policy

I wonder if Arlington will follow suit

beleaguered wrote:

Space wrote:

beleaguered wrote:
both DC9 and Union stage this week are now requiring proof of vax for entry

DC9 also listed the booster: After February 1st, we are requiring all patrons to show proof that they are at least 2 weeks past receiving a second vaccine dose—ie: 2 shots of Moderna/Pfizer or the Johnson&Johnson shot + booster

well I guess only if you got the J&J

i think theyve both been requiring proof of vax already.

no, this is fairly new.  IMP was one of the few in the area you needed proof of vax
you were previously able to show a recent negative test

Starsky wrote:
This is news to me about DC requiring proof of vaccination for restaurants and other indoor gatherings effective January 15


https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/major-us-cities-vaccine-test-mandates-covid-19/index.html

and this makes sense why they changed the policy

I wonder if Arlington will follow suit

i guess the new part is that negative tests are no longer accepted in the absencr of proof of vax.

Trump could have really moved the needle on this months ago.  I love how he says 'I came up with the Vax', but  in the end he sends the right message and he even pushes back on Candice to say the Vax is necessary and it’s the people who won’t take the vaccine that are the problem.

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1474024520721866789?s=20