Space Freely
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Re: COVID-19 2020
October 06, 2023 at 01:23 PM UTC
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Hutch wrote:
So your position is that airlines, hospitals, music venues, etc should not have forced employees to get vaccinated? You believe that’s fucked up.
Space, give it a rest. You are making an ass of yourself.
Airlines, no. Music venues, no. Hospitals…it depends on the patient population you come in contact with. Government offices where everyone is 100% remote, no.
Hutch
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Re: COVID-19 2020
October 06, 2023 at 01:25 PM UTC
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Just the way you frame that “make decisions regarding their health” shows how deluded you are….it’s really batshit MAGA … I mean it’s about public health.. that’s the point
Interest level in discussing this with a troll or complete imbecile: zero
Over and out
Space Freely
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Re: COVID-19 2020
October 06, 2023 at 01:42 PM UTC
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Hutch wrote:
Just the way you frame that “make decisions regarding their health” shows how deluded you are….it’s really batshit MAGA … I mean it’s about public health.. that’s the point
Interest level in discussing this with a troll or complete imbecile: zero
Over and out
Calling someone whose opinion you disagree with "MAGA"=tiresome, cliched, conformist, and lazy. Happy to not discuss this with you!
Yada
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Re: COVID-19 2020
October 06, 2023 at 01:47 PM UTC
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I miss you guys arguing about who should wear masks at open air fields.
Space Freely
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Re: COVID-19 2020
October 06, 2023 at 01:50 PM UTC
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Yada wrote:
I miss you guys arguing about who should wear masks at open air fields.
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Boy do I feel stupid for every arguing in favor of that. I guess in retrospect it was better to be safe than sorry.
bunnyman
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Re: COVID-19 2020
October 06, 2023 at 01:58 PM UTC
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Space wrote:
My point was that it's pretty fucked up for an employer to force employees to make specific choices regarding their health, at the risk of losing one's job.
Do you disagree with that?
When I was a kid, I remember trusting my pediatrician when he told me that I was required to be vaccinated against certain things to go back to school, and those were rules far above his or my head. And papers were necessary and needed to be given to the school nurse in order to be given the OK. The same applies when you're an adult. Responsibility doesn't change when you have to consider the wellbeing of others in your species. The difference now vs. being a kid is that if you don't like it, you can quit and get a new job. Probably in a state where life expectancies are starting to crater, lowering the overall life expectancy of the country. But hell, it's America. You can do whatever you want.
jrpa
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Re: COVID-19 2020
October 06, 2023 at 01:58 PM UTC
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Space wrote:
My point was that it's pretty fucked up for an employer to force employees to make specific choices regarding their health, at the risk of losing one's job.
Do you disagree with that?
Yes, I disagree with that. Thanks for asking.
nkotb
Joined: August 15, 2001 at 05:01 AM UTC
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Re: COVID-19 2020
October 06, 2023 at 02:05 PM UTC
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Its also really funny for folks to be in a tizzy about Space voicing concerns about employer-mandated health decision despite him GETTING VACCINATED AND SAYING HE WOULD'VE OF HIS OWN ACCORD, and not, I don't know, the systematic throwing-of-people-to-the-wolves that our entire political system engaged in. If I had to guess, that might have caused a lot more death and misery than whether Space got vaccinated or not WHICH HE DID.
It's like being mad that someone uses plastic bags at the grocery store
jrpa
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Re: COVID-19 2020
October 06, 2023 at 02:08 PM UTC
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nkotb wrote:
Its also really funny for folks to be in a tizzy about Space voicing concerns about employer-mandated health decision despite him GETTING VACCINATED AND SAYING HE WOULD'VE OF HIS OWN ACCORD, and not, I don't know, the systematic throwing-of-people-to-the-wolves that our entire political system engaged in. If I had to guess, that might have caused a lot more death and misery than whether Space got vaccinated or not WHICH HE DID.
It's like being mad that someone uses plastic bags at the grocery store
I, for one, enjoy throwing people to the wolves.
nkotb
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Re: COVID-19 2020
October 06, 2023 at 02:16 PM UTC
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That's the right of any individual American citizen, but our political class shouldn't be making that decision for us
Julian, wrote:
I, for one, enjoy throwing people to the wolves.
jrpa
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Re: COVID-19 2020
October 06, 2023 at 02:20 PM UTC
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nkotb wrote:
That's the right of any individual American citizen, but our political class shouldn't be making that decision for us
Julian, wrote:
I, for one, enjoy throwing people to the wolves.
Sir, as a person who identifies as a political class, you have insulted me gravely.
nkotb
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Re: COVID-19 2020
October 06, 2023 at 02:24 PM UTC
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I have you marked as the Elite class, which we all know are the real movers and shakers
jrpa
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Re: COVID-19 2020
October 06, 2023 at 02:25 PM UTC
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nkotb wrote:
I have you marked as the Elite class, which we all know are the real movers and shakers
Flattery will get you everywhere.
nkotb
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Re: COVID-19 2020
October 06, 2023 at 02:40 PM UTC
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I know my betters
Space Freely
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Re: COVID-19 2020
October 06, 2023 at 03:14 PM UTC
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bearman🐻 wrote:
Space wrote:
My point was that it's pretty fucked up for an employer to force employees to make specific choices regarding their health, at the risk of losing one's job.
Do you disagree with that?
When I was a kid, I remember trusting my pediatrician when he told me that I was required to be vaccinated against certain things to go back to school, and those were rules far above his or my head. And papers were necessary and needed to be given to the school nurse in order to be given the OK. The same applies when you're an adult. Responsibility doesn't change when you have to consider the wellbeing of others in your species. The difference now vs. being a kid is that if you don't like it, you can quit and get a new job. Probably in a state where life expectancies are starting to crater, lowering the overall life expectancy of the country. But hell, it's America. You can do whatever you want.
Would you be ok with an employer requiring any employee who engages in anal sex to be on PREP before engaging in anal sex, at the risk of losing their job? After all, it is the responsible thing to do.
Space Freely
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Re: COVID-19 2020
October 06, 2023 at 03:45 PM UTC
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bearman🐻 wrote:
Space wrote:
My point was that it's pretty fucked up for an employer to force employees to make specific choices regarding their health, at the risk of losing one's job.
Do you disagree with that?
When I was a kid, I remember trusting my pediatrician when he told me that I was required to be vaccinated against certain things to go back to school, and those were rules far above his or my head. And papers were necessary and needed to be given to the school nurse in order to be given the OK. The same applies when you're an adult. Responsibility doesn't change when you have to consider the wellbeing of others in your species. The difference now vs. being a kid is that if you don't like it, you can quit and get a new job. Probably in a state where life expectancies are starting to crater, lowering the overall life expectancy of the country. But hell, it's America. You can do whatever you want.
Also, you must be quite a bit younger than me if you were required to be vaccinated in order to attend school. The year I was born (1967) was the first year the MMR was administered, and the vaccination rate was 60%. Nobody was required to get vaccinated for school attendance until years later (by 1980, all states required it). So there were no immediate vaccination requirements, and only 60% of the people got it when it initially came out.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/g/coverage.pdfFeel free to question anything I said. My knowledge is only as good as Google.
So I'm pretty sure that vaccination for those things were'n
Sidehatch
Joined: October 04, 2011 at 04:33 AM UTC
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Re: COVID-19 2020
October 06, 2023 at 04:50 PM UTC
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Space wrote:
bearman🐻 wrote:
Space wrote:
My point was that it's pretty fucked up for an employer to force employees to make specific choices regarding their health, at the risk of losing one's job.
Do you disagree with that?
When I was a kid, I remember trusting my pediatrician when he told me that I was required to be vaccinated against certain things to go back to school, and those were rules far above his or my head. And papers were necessary and needed to be given to the school nurse in order to be given the OK. The same applies when you're an adult. Responsibility doesn't change when you have to consider the wellbeing of others in your species. The difference now vs. being a kid is that if you don't like it, you can quit and get a new job. Probably in a state where life expectancies are starting to crater, lowering the overall life expectancy of the country. But hell, it's America. You can do whatever you want.
Would you be ok with an employer requiring any employee who engages in anal sex to be on PREP before engaging in anal sex, at the risk of losing their job? After all, it is the responsible thing to do.
Hmm, well, do you work in the sex industry? Then I would say yes
I've yet to hear of an STI that is communicable via anything other than sex (or some sort of body fluid exchange)
not the case with COVID-19. So employers were protecting their staff and clients …would be my take.
I won't deny there was a lot of promise that it would be perfect, when infact it didn't stop you from getting or spreading…but did dramatic increase the likelihood you wouldn't go on a vent and die
can you show me on the doll where the vax hurt you
clearly, space gets a major boner getting people to respond to his silly and contradictory statements
and yet we act like he is a rational person and might be like "Why, that was a stupid statement, I just meant to say I'm selfish and also somewhat of a major dick who likes to stir it up a bit here because I'm bored"
but we all know that's not going to happen
Sidehatch
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Re: COVID-19 2020
October 06, 2023 at 04:55 PM UTC
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nkotb wrote:and not, I don't know, the systematic throwing-of-people-to-the-wolves that our entire political system engaged in. If I had to guess, that might have caused a lot more death and misery than whether Space got vaccinated or not WHICH HE DID.
It's like being mad that someone uses plastic bags at the grocery store
so is NKOTB trying to say that both the dems and rebups systematically threw 100's of thousands of people 'to the wolves'
I mean, how many fat Americans can the wolf population eat
And were people being rewarded for throwing (jez you think they'd just use machines at this point)
bearman🐻 wrote:
When I was a kid, I remember trusting my pediatrician when
The only thing I remember is I was told I could get a toy out of the treasure box and would get a cool spidey Bandaid
odd you remember talking with your pediatrician when you were a child about any medical decisions, pretty sure those conversations were exclusively with the parent
Space Freely
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Re: COVID-19 2020
October 06, 2023 at 04:58 PM UTC
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I'm not arguing that the vax has hurt me. I chose to get it, so I accepted any risk. I'm arguing that employers shouldn't have the power to force employees to make that choice.
Who was my employer protecting by requiring it's employees to be vaccinated? We haven't been in the office since March 2020.
And now there is no longer a requirement.
And for the record, I had this resentment long before expressing it here today. I don't just make up things on the spot with the goal of trolling a few geezers on the internet.
Sidehatch
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Re: COVID-19 2020
October 06, 2023 at 05:01 PM UTC
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Space wrote:
I'm not arguing that the vax has hurt me. I chose to get it, so I accepted any risk. I'm arguing that employers shouldn't have the power to force employees to make that choice.
Who was my employer protecting by requiring it's employees to be vaccinated? We haven't been in the office since March 2020.
And now there is no longer a requirement.
They want to be able to say "All our staff is vaccinated" and like greenwashing, companies were trying to fall in line for their PR campaign
also the insurance provider may have said, we want to raise your rates if you don't mandate it…and you know what an employer will do in that situation
So if your employer forced you to have a drug test, would you react the same way?
what if they said they were going to do a background check?
These would be WAY bigger privacy concerns for me vs getting a jab
you don't HAVE TO work for that employer (who works with the Gov't…so you are already a part of the machine man)
Where in the constitution says an employer can't come up with some odd rule (that doesn't violate a law) for employment
I don' like it, but this is the USA and Corps rule