Musicological banter

Relaxer wrote:
Are there any black musicians that you like or do you just hate them all with equal vehemence?

When have I ever said anything about another black musician? You like Kanye because he is black and he accused the president  of being a racist.  I get it.  I don't see the color of Kanye's music when hearing how badly it sucks. 

Relaxer wrote:
His power is not fading,  you only choose to depict as such because of your white racist fear. 'Yeezus' was a major hit, which spawned 'Black Skinhead'. He is playing an overwhelmingly praised tour in arenas, and the cancellations were due to logistics issues, not sales. Among the postponed dates were sold out shows in his hometown of Chicago. But you choose to make up facts to suit your racist ignorant premise. And then you trot out all the traditionally white-loved artists that make up the middle of the road. I'm kind of surprised you didn't say that you actually have black friends and that your father was 1/32 black.

Man Relaxer is racist. 

Relaxer wrote:
His power is not fading,  you only choose to depict as such because of your white racist fear. 'Yeezus' was a major hit, which spawned 'Black Skinhead'. He is playing an overwhelmingly praised tour in arenas, and the cancellations were due to logistics issues, not sales. Among the postponed dates were sold out shows in his hometown of Chicago. But you choose to make up facts to suit your racist ignorant premise. And then you trot out all the traditionally white-loved artists that make up the middle of the road. I'm kind of surprised you didn't say that you actually have black friends and that your father was 1/32 black.

"Logisitics issues!??!?!"  ::)  Do you also believe "tired and emotional?"

Whatever.  Time will tell.  The Wu-Tang Clan is "middle of the road?"  And Kanye WHO IMPREGNATED A KARDASHIAN is somehow "edgy" because he released a song called "Black Skinhead" which, you're absolutely right, was ALL OVER RADIO.  Sometime they stopped a Katy Perry song just to play "Black Skinhead" in the middle of it. 

Before I put my hood back on, let me tell you, you're going to look foolish in a couple months.  Limp Bizkit were popular once, too.  But at least they had some tunes.

Brian

Atomic, you are a very ignorant person who lashes out with insecurity because he knows the kind of man he is. It's pathetic and sad but fortunately you live in the middle of nowhere so civilized progressive people don't have to deal with your ways.

Brian, I don't know how Kanye West in any way threatens your love for Limp Bizkit but I'll leave that to you.  It doesn't really concern me because it's a proven fact that since his debut album, Kanye has been a consistent producer of highly acclaimed, very good music that has sold extremely well. In the pop music arena, there are very few people who have sustained a 10+ year career at the top.

lot of black people / white people talk on the board today

dupek . . . is jerking off.

I find it funny when someone doesn't like the lamest person alive it is because of race.  Who thinks about race like this..I guess Kanye fans. 

Relaxer wrote:
'Yeezus' was a major hit 

Yawn…since when does being a major hit actually mean good music

Relaxer wrote:
He is playing an overwhelmingly praised tour in arenas,

again yawn…but I'm sure everyone enjoyed it.  I'm really not at all impressed with KW
I've listened to his albums and I just can't get into it

I will say for me, it 100% NOT because he's black (when it comes to music…I almost always bet on black)

The only thing that I have ever found redeeming is that cover that Dia Frampton did on the voice
http://youtu.be/Vh25mvAkN9U

So I might say he's a good song writer, but I've never enjoyed his delivery or presentation

I also think in 20 years, he won't have a legacy like James Brown or David Bowie or Frank Zappa or Lou Reed or Stevie Wonder or Johnny Cash or Public Enemy or Grandmaster Flash or Freddy Mercury and so on and so on


Hey relaxer….relax. IMHO there are far more talented and interesting performers to go to the mat for.  Art is subjective….

^did you see what Lou Reed wrote, just weeks before he died, about Kanye's last album ? 

has to, at the very least, give one pause…

i saw him at the mtv show and he was one row away and he didn't even say hello.  i dont get it.  you know I hate lou, i really do.  he won't even hire us for his videos, and I was so proud of him.

walkonby wrote:
i saw him at the mtv show and he was one row away and he didn't even say hello.  i dont get it.  you know I hate lou, i really do.  he won't even hire us for his videos, and I was so proud of him.

oh god … please tell me lou hasn't been added to "walkie's blacklist"…

hutch wrote:
^did you see what Lou Reed wrote, just weeks before he died, about Kanye's last album ? 

has to, at the very least, give one pause…

Hutch, you're an adult, right?  Did your parents divorce when you were young?  I'm totally dumbfounded at why adults worship certain music artists:

"Did you hear what LOU REED said about Kanye West, huh?  HUH?  LOU REED, THE GREATEST ROCK ARTIST EVER!  THE MAN WITH THE MOST INTEGRITY EVER!  THE MAN WHO INVENTED ALTERNATIVE MUSIC!?!?!!  Did you hear what HE said about Kanye West?"

Who gives a shit?  I don't care what Lou Reed thought about anything.  Lou Reed was just another musician.  Just another song writer.  A good one, yes.  Innovative, sure. 

People like you, hutch, who follow musicians like the disciples followed Jesus and venerate their opinions as gospel just…I don't get you.  People do this with Lennon and Dylan and…….

Musicians and the music they produce is fantastic.  Music makes life worth living.  But to put some artist who when they die they get put on the cover of Rolling Stone on a pedestal is foolish for a society to do.  Lou Reed's opinion is not more valid or more intelligent or more introspective than your or my opinion.  It really isn't.  I suggest you wake up.

Brian

Brian_Wallace wrote:

hutch wrote:
^did you see what Lou Reed wrote, just weeks before he died, about Kanye's last album ? 

has to, at the very least, give one pause…

Hutch, you're an adult, right?  Did your parents divorce when you were young?  I'm totally dumbfounded at why adults worship certain music artists:

"Did you hear what LOU REED said about Kanye West, huh?  HUH?  LOU REED, THE GREATEST ROCK ARTIST EVER!  THE MAN WITH THE MOST INTEGRITY EVER!  THE MAN WHO INVENTED ALTERNATIVE MUSIC!?!?!!  Did you hear what HE said about Kanye West?"

Who gives a shit?  I don't care what Lou Reed thought about anything.  Lou Reed was just another musician.  Just another song writer.  A good one, yes.  Innovative, sure. 

People like you, hutch, who follow musicians like the disciples followed Jesus and venerate their opinions as gospel just…I don't get you.   People do this with Lennon and Dylan and…….

Musicians and the music they produce is fantastic.  Music makes life worth living.  But to put some artist who when they die they get put on the cover of Rolling Stone on a pedestal is foolish for a society to do.  Lou Reed's opinion is not more valid or more intelligent or more introspective than your or my opinion.  It really isn't.  I suggest you wake up.

Brian

uh oh

Relaxer wrote:
'Yeezus' was a major hit, which spawned 'Black Skinhead'.

I'm not getting into this argument in whole but let me just say anecdotally: I listen to pop radio probably more than the average person on here and I have not heard a new Kanye West song on a Top 40 station off the last two records. I could not tell you the chorus to Black Skinhead.

I heard it twice last night on tv, in the preview for the new Scorsese movie and for, I think, T-Mobile. But you know, I don't really care about any of this any more.

First of all, and I really have to leave this fascinating conversation to take my kid to storytime, like many people on this thread I don't get Kanye West…I may never even bother to listen to his music again…

but I pay attention to the dentist when he has something to say about teeth and, likewise, I listen to the musician when he has something to say about music.. I may not always agree though…but I at least listen because much as I love my teeth I love music….I'm at least interested… If he's one of the finest songwriters of any generation I may listen a bit harder..I don't consider that "worship" but common sense… and if those happen to be Lou Reed's last published words I may pay even a bit more attention because, you know, he contributed a lot to my life….he gave me great joy… I hope that doesn't make me a bad person or a childish one.. I think its called experience…. you know: live and learn..

What I try not to do is pay attention to what a critic with no actual experience making music, or some random internet poster wants to tell me about what music I should listen to…that's a whole different enchilada..

hutch wrote:
First of all, and I really have to leave this fascinating conversation to take my kid to storytime, like many people on this thread I don't get Kanye West…I may never even bother to listen to his music again…

but I pay attention to the dentist when he has something to say about teeth and, likewise, I listen to the musician when he has something to say about music.. I may not always agree though…but I at least listen because much as I love my teeth I love music….I'm at least interested… If he's one of the finest songwriters of any generation I may listen a bit harder..I don't consider that "worship" but common sense… and if those happen to be Lou Reed's last published words I may pay even a bit more attention because, you know, he contributed a lot to my life….he gave me great joy… I hope that doesn't make me a bad person or a childish one.. I think its called experience…. you know: live and learn..

What I try not to do is pay attention to what a critic with no actual experience making music, or some random internet poster wants to tell me about what music I should listen to…that's a whole different enchilada..

Lou Reed hadn't done anything worth listening since "Transformer". If he knew so much about music why did he suck for 40 years? 

god knows I'm not a Lou Reed/VU fan, but New York is an album very worth listening to.

I've listened to a couple of Kanye albums, and can say that I'd be happy to never hear him again. The fact that he's a total douche seals the deal.

atomic wrote:

hutch wrote:
First of all, and I really have to leave this fascinating conversation to take my kid to storytime, like many people on this thread I don't get Kanye West…I may never even bother to listen to his music again…

but I pay attention to the dentist when he has something to say about teeth and, likewise, I listen to the musician when he has something to say about music.. I may not always agree though…but I at least listen because much as I love my teeth I love music….I'm at least interested… If he's one of the finest songwriters of any generation I may listen a bit harder..I don't consider that "worship" but common sense… and if those happen to be Lou Reed's last published words I may pay even a bit more attention because, you know, he contributed a lot to my life….he gave me great joy… I hope that doesn't make me a bad person or a childish one.. I think its called experience…. you know: live and learn..

What I try not to do is pay attention to what a critic with no actual experience making music, or some random internet poster wants to tell me about what music I should listen to…that's a whole different enchilada..

Lou Reed hadn't done anything worth listening since "Transformer". If he knew so much about music why did he suck for 40 years? 

In a related story

Small-Town Police Chief to Kanye West: 'Check Yourself, Before You Wreck Yourself'

"This comes just days after West compared the danger of his work to that of police officers and soldiers in war, telling a radio host he puts his life "literally" on the line each day.

After all, the rapper noted, he could slip on stage."

Can't believe I've got something in common with JF…but yes this man is a Douche

i appreciated Laura Mayberry's article on feminism a month or so go back, but i loved this take by Mish Way. 

http://www.self-titledmag.com/2013/12/13/white-lungs-mish-way-on-message-boards-corrosion-of-conformity-and-hardcore-singer-chris-thomson/

RE: The Kanye West discussion.

i feel like kanye is pretty smart about his art.  i hated yeezus, but i've enjoyed past albums, and respect the fact that in 20 years people will look at him as the defining pop artist of the past decade. yeezus was every bit calculated, it's completely different from the rest of his style/discography, similiar to 808&HB.  people will look back, and say "remember that black activist album he made?", and "remember the auto-tune album he did?" just as people look back at pink floyd's the wall, the beatle's helter skelter, lou reed's metal machine music, etc..

like it or hate it, the guy does an incredible job about making people talk about his music, and that's what makes music icons live on.