there are, 125 thousand people who have watched that video, including me. I,ve tried to come up with something to express how I feel after watching it, and I can,t. I can,t move.
Musicological banter
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oh keef
Rap ? so many words, so little said,? laughs Richards, 71.
?What rap did that was impressive was to show there are so many tone-deaf people out there,? he says. ?All they need is a drum beat and somebody yelling over it and they?re happy. There?s an enormous market for people who can?t tell one note from another.?
Rap ? so many words, so little said,? laughs Richards, 71.
?What rap did that was impressive was to show there are so many tone-deaf people out there,? he says. ?All they need is a drum beat and somebody yelling over it and they?re happy. There?s an enormous market for people who can?t tell one note from another.?
well he's right… name the last rap album you loved? Tribe?
all he forgot to add is that they are stealing the riff from some song everyone already loves.
all he forgot to add is that they are stealing the riff from some song everyone already loves.
Hutch wrote:
well he's right… name the last rap album you loved? Tribe?
all he forgot to add is that they are stealing the riff from some song everyone already loves.
I agree with keef as well. Rap is pretty, pretty meh…
complaining that rappers are tone-deaf is missing the point about rap. it's like saying that atonal jazz isn't melodic… no shit. not supposed to be, nor trying to be.
Ardamus is going to be so mad the next time he shows up to de facto panhandle on here in hopes we'll see his shitty, shitty concert.
sweetcell wrote:
complaining that rappers are tone-deaf is missing the point about rap. it's like saying that atonal jazz isn't melodic… no shit. not supposed to be, nor trying to be.
as Miles Davis wrote in his autobiography the minute Coltrane left his band and started with the weird free "jazz" shit like the 45 minutes of crap that is Ascension was when jazz died..
Hutch wrote:
well he's right… name the last rap album you loved? Tribe?
all he forgot to add is that they are stealing the riff from some song everyone already loves.
true…Low End Theory was probably the last rap/hip hop album I have purchased or liked
well king krule kinda has a rap'esq thing going on…not sure if anyone in rap would think that counts
what's funny is the stones were stealing riff's from the American blues guys too
Sidehatch wrote:Hutch wrote:
well he's right… name the last rap album you loved? Tribe?
all he forgot to add is that they are stealing the riff from some song everyone already loves.
true…Low End Theory was probably the last rap/hip hop album I have purchased or liked
well king krule kinda has a rap'esq thing going on…not sure if anyone in rap would think that counts
what's funny is the stones were stealing riff's from the American blues guys too
its different to play the same riff in your own way… with different recording facilities, equipment etc…as part of a different song… than to take an actual recording and simply place your own words over it…
the concept of the Stones taking a riff that sounded like Muddy Waters or whoever, or Mick Jagger singing like a dead-on Don Covay, is different than Vanilla Ice taking the keyboard and bass from under pressure and singing his banalities over it..
I have a wonderful cd by the Hellacopters (HighVisibility) which at times sounds quite a bit like Thin Lizzy but its not Thin Lizzy… a lot of these rappers would simply take the Thin Lizzy recording and rap over it..
Now I happen to think a lot of early hip hop which relied on samples is tons of fun and I love it……but there is a difference between Deacon kind of ripping off the bass from Good Times for Another One Bites the Dust and the Sugarhill Gang simply rapping over Chic….or not?
making some big generalities there, hutch… do you really think all rap is exactly the same as vanilla ice?
and in case you haven't been keeping up, the age where rappers can rip entire songs via samples as use that as the only basis for a tune is essentially over. clearing samples has become cost-prohibitive. other than that Minaj "my anaconda" remake (which she had sir mixalot's permission to do, so nothing to clear), when was the last time you hear a rap song that was a clear, top-to-bottom rip of an old tune? yeah… vanilla ice. 1990. all those classic rap albums from the 80's and 90's couldn't be produced in today's environment. instead, rappers need to use session musicians, royalty-free samples (i.e. music you've never heard of), etc.
i'm not a big fan or rap. i listen to some, occasionally, but i've def not a fanboy. on the other hand i feel that dismissing the entire genre as "inane babbling over someone else's music" is asinine.
and in case you haven't been keeping up, the age where rappers can rip entire songs via samples as use that as the only basis for a tune is essentially over. clearing samples has become cost-prohibitive. other than that Minaj "my anaconda" remake (which she had sir mixalot's permission to do, so nothing to clear), when was the last time you hear a rap song that was a clear, top-to-bottom rip of an old tune? yeah… vanilla ice. 1990. all those classic rap albums from the 80's and 90's couldn't be produced in today's environment. instead, rappers need to use session musicians, royalty-free samples (i.e. music you've never heard of), etc.
i'm not a big fan or rap. i listen to some, occasionally, but i've def not a fanboy. on the other hand i feel that dismissing the entire genre as "inane babbling over someone else's music" is asinine.
sweetcell wrote:
making some big generalities there, hutch… do you really think all rap is exactly the same as vanilla ice?
and in case you haven't been keeping up, the age where rappers can rip entire songs via samples as use that as the only basis for a tune is essentially over. clearing samples has become cost-prohibitive. other than that Minaj "my anaconda" remake (which she had sir mixalot's permission to do, so nothing to clear), when was the last time you hear a rap song that was a clear, top-to-bottom rip of an old tune? yeah… vanilla ice. 1990. all those classic rap albums from the 80's and 90's couldn't be produced in today's environment. instead, rappers need to use session musicians, royalty-free samples (i.e. music you've never heard of), etc.
i'm not a big fan or rap. i listen to some, occasionally, but i've def not a fanboy. on the other hand i feel that dismissing the entire genre as "inane babbling over someone else's music" is asinine.
no I dont' think all rap is the same as vanilla ice, i'm aware of the changes regarding samples and dismissing an entire genre is a bit much BUT overall I tend to agree that rap is a waste..its not the late 60s with Aretha or the 70s with Stevie…these rap albums a year or two after release are consigned to the dustbins of history….they are not art with any sort of lasting impact.. of course there are exceptions but for example ibought the latest Kendrick lamar or whatever his name is and the most interesting thingsabout the album ARE the samples… probably the D'Angelo is closer to my speed.. I think it has staying power..but then again that is more a soul album than a rap album…clearing samples is expensive but its pivotal for the bigname artists…. that and a million guest appearances… I can't stand these rap albums 20 guest rappers..what is the deal with that anyways?
Hutch wrote:
BUT overall I tend to agree that rap is a waste..
fair enough. some people think that rock n' roll is nothing but "a lot of noise." whachagonnado…
What year are we in?
There's a ton of good hip-hop that is very forward-thinking musically.
<cue killsaly>
There's a ton of good hip-hop that is very forward-thinking musically.
<cue killsaly>
azaghal1981 wrote:
What year are we in?
There's a ton of good hip-hop that is very forward-thinking musically.
<cue killsaly>
its really hard to say if its forward thinking unless you go forward, no? but I actually differentiate between rap and hip-hop a bit….maybe that is wrong of me… in any case, feel free to cite some current-ish hip-hop albums you think will leave a lasting legacy on music say in 10-20 years…
Since it's all about the controversial statement today and this has been buggin me for awhile..
I find most major label "neo-soul" acts to slickly produced for my tastes and their records leave me cold. There are rare exceptions i.e Lianna La Havas. But I'll be stickin' with Daptone, G.E.D. Soul, Hope Street Records, Acid Jazz, Tru Thoughts, Record Kicks, Ubiquity for my neo-soul.
I find most major label "neo-soul" acts to slickly produced for my tastes and their records leave me cold. There are rare exceptions i.e Lianna La Havas. But I'll be stickin' with Daptone, G.E.D. Soul, Hope Street Records, Acid Jazz, Tru Thoughts, Record Kicks, Ubiquity for my neo-soul.
Most of Timbaland and The Neptunes' productions from 10-20 years ago have made a big impact on what we're hearing now.
(Missy Elliott's …So Addictive and Supa Dupa Fly, Clips's Lord Willin' just to name a few)
W/R/T stuff that will leave a big impact in 10-20 years, Kanye West's Yeezus set a pretty high bar and yeah, that Kendrick Lamar album is also up there.
(Missy Elliott's …So Addictive and Supa Dupa Fly, Clips's Lord Willin' just to name a few)
W/R/T stuff that will leave a big impact in 10-20 years, Kanye West's Yeezus set a pretty high bar and yeah, that Kendrick Lamar album is also up there.
Hutch wrote:azaghal1981 wrote:
What year are we in?
There's a ton of good hip-hop that is very forward-thinking musically.
<cue killsaly>
its really hard to say if its forward thinking unless you go forward, no? but I actually differentiate between rap and hip-hop a bit….maybe that is wrong of me… in any case, feel free to cite some current-ish hip-hop albums you think will leave a lasting legacy on music say in 10-20 years…
This, I can fully get behind.
kosmo wrote:
Since it's all about the controversial statement today and this has been buggin me for awhile..
I find most major label "neo-soul" acts to slickly produced for my tastes and their records leave me cold. There are rare exceptions i.e Lianna La Havas. But I'll be stickin' with Daptone, G.E.D. Soul, Hope Street Records, Acid Jazz, Tru Thoughts, Record Kicks, Ubiquity for my neo-soul.
azaghal1981 wrote:
This, I can fully get behind.kosmo wrote:
Since it's all about the controversial statement today and this has been buggin me for awhile..
I find most major label "neo-soul" acts to slickly produced for my tastes and their records leave me cold. There are rare exceptions i.e Lianna La Havas. But I'll be stickin' with Daptone, G.E.D. Soul, Hope Street Records, Acid Jazz, Tru Thoughts, Record Kicks, Ubiquity for my neo-soul.
but as perpendicular to thread at this point as possible
true as it may be
Hutch wrote:e, feel free to cite some current-ish hip-hop albums you think will leave a lasting legacy on music say in 10-20 years…
I seriously want to know this answer too
since 1995…so past 20 years
Name 10 rap (hip-hop as the hipster prefer to call it) albums we'll be talking about ….in 10-20 years
(although I really would have a hard time making a list of indie/alt bands either…but that's not the point)