Musicological banter

Sez you..I don't know how he got a hold of a lute, but he's locked away working on something he's calling Consortstep.  His soundcloud page is a horror of turning anything he can think off into step

Vas wrote:
https://twitter.com/ahmadmzaghal/status/501353091992924162

i wish i could unsee this

Henry Rollins …  ::)
his 17 year old jock psyche just won't leave him.
http://www.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2014/08/21/henry-rollins-fuck-suicide

"I have life by the neck and drag it along. Rarely does it move fast enough. Raw Power forever."

I think he needs a cat. People with cats don't say such douchetastic things.

While that quote is silly, he's spot on with the rest of the article.

slappy wrote:
Henry Rollins …  ::)
his 17 year old jock psyche just won't leave him.
http://www.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2014/08/21/henry-rollins-fuck-suicide

"I have life by the neck and drag it along. Rarely does it move fast enough. Raw Power forever."

I think he needs a cat. People with cats don't say such douchetastic things.

I agree with the article too… even though Rollins is one of the biggest nozzles out there.

I especially agree with the part about not taking your life if you have kids. But his youngest kid is 23, so maybe the rules change once your youngest is an adult (?) You're going to die at some point, 63 with your kids grown is not that young anyway…

Yada wrote:
I agree with the article too… even though Rollins is one of the biggest nozzles out there.

James wrote:
I especially agree with the part about not taking your life if you have kids. But his youngest kid is 23, so maybe the rules change once your youngest is an adult (?) You're going to die at some point, 63 with your kids grown is not that young anyway…

Yada wrote:
I agree with the article too… even though Rollins is one of the biggest nozzles out there.

That's  part I agree with, if you have kids… don't be selfish and leave them. 

He is not spot on about anything…

Severe depression can lead people to kill themselves..its a disease…

he's about as right as the people who are convinced that some people beat cancer cause they wanted to and others don't because they didn't…

its seriously so moronic that i'm shocked to read people agree with on this site..

obviouslyt he man was seriously sick… nobody kills themselves and leaves kids behind because they are thinking rationally…its an illness and even if you seek out treatment sometimes it doesn't work…its very complex

but to say people who kill themselves are dicks?? WTF?

nobody disputes that killing yourself when you have kids is a terrible thing to do..heck, just killing yourself even if you don't! i mean what about the people who love a person that kills themselves? BUT that is not the issue.. the issue is that its an illness that leads people to feel so desperate that there is nothing else to be done…

moreover, nobody knows Robin Williams or any other man, other than themself (and in many cases not even that), to be able to sit around judging others and what they "did"… i mean what the fuck do you all know about robin williams??? you thinkk cause you saw a few movies you know shit?

hutch wrote:
He is not spot on about anything…

Severe depression can lead people to kill themselves..its a disease…

he's about as right as the people who are convinced that some people beat cancer cause they wanted to and others don't because they didn't…

its seriously so moronic that i'm shocked to read people agree with on this site..

obviouslyt he man was seriously sick… nobody kills themselves and leaves kids behind because they are thinking rationally…its an illness and even if you seek out treatment sometimes it doesn't work…its very complex

but to say people who kill themselves are dicks?? WTF?

nobody disputes that killing yourself when you have kids is a terrible thing to do..heck, just killing yourself even if you don't! i mean what about the people who love a person that kills themselves? BUT that is not the issue.. the issue is that its an illness that leads people to feel so desperate that there is nothing else to be done…

moreover, nobody knows Robin Williams or any other man, other than themself (and in many cases not even that), to be able to sit around judging others and what they "did"… i mean what the fuck do you all know about robin williams??? you thinkk cause you saw a few movies you know shit?

My judgment isn't based on me thinking I know Robin WIlliams, it's based on personal experiences that I've had in my life where people have left children behind.

I understand it's a disease and not something you can just "turn off", but in some situations it's just not acceptable IMO.

Yada wrote:


My judgment isn't based on me thinking I know Robin WIlliams, it's based on personal experiences that I've had in my life where people have left children behind.

I understand it's a disease and not something you can just "turn off", but in some situations it's just not acceptable IMO.

well I don't know what you mean when you say "its just not acceptable"… you'd have to define your words very precisely..it could be read any number of ways..

its not acceptable so he's a dick could be one reading…. if that is what you're saying you ought to take a big step back…

its not acceptable so people shouldn't do it if they can at all avoid it could be another reading…. a more human one i would add


the fact you know people who did it means nothing just as it means nothing that henry rollins had a roomate who was depressed……sorry to say…. its not the same… you can't extrapolate one case and make it emblematic of all cases and then draw a judgment….

you really ought to focus a bit more on empathy and be less judgmental of people you don't know…

depression is an illness…very often genetically transmitted and which people often times have no ability to control…. even if they do seek treatment.. it is incredibly complex…certainly more complex than "oh, he took the easy way out, what a dick"……

empathy is an interesting concept….. having a child with autism (maybe two) i never thought all that much about it.. i think i'm lacking in it at times.. i know my father is….. i dont mean to lack in it but i do.. i think about it more…the ability to look at things from other people's shoes…its really a great ability isn't it…to see things as others do…. its so weird how so much comes down to those pesky genes..and that winning sperm

hutch wrote:

Yada wrote:


My judgment isn't based on me thinking I know Robin WIlliams, it's based on personal experiences that I've had in my life where people have left children behind.

I understand it's a disease and not something you can just "turn off", but in some situations it's just not acceptable IMO.

well I don't know what you mean when you say "its just not acceptable"… you'd have to define your words very precisely..it could be read any number of ways..

its not acceptable so he's a dick could be one reading…. if that is what you're saying you ought to take a big step back…

its not acceptable so people shouldn't do it if they can at all avoid it could be another reading…. a more human one i would add


the fact you know people who did it means nothing just as it means nothing that henry rollins had a roomate who was depressed……sorry to say…. its not the same… you can't extrapolate one case and make it emblematic of all cases and then draw a judgment….

you really ought to focus a bit more on empathy and be less judgmental of people you don't know…

depression is an illness…very often genetically transmitted and which people often times have no ability to control…. even if they do seek treatment.. it is incredibly complex…certainly more complex than "oh, he took the easy way out, what a dick"……

Without exposing too much personal information on this here website, believe me… I know all the ins and outs of these illnesses.

I reckon some choose to empathize with the dead guy who is now in no pain (assuming he's not burning in Hell*), while others choose to empathize with those whose actions the dead guy brought current pain to.

*Disclaimer: I don't believe in Hell

hutch wrote:
empathy is an interesting concept….. having a child with autism (maybe two) i never thought all that much about it.. i think i'm lacking in it at times.. i know my father is….. i dont mean to lack in it but i do.. i think about it more…the ability to look at things from other people's shoes…its really a great ability isn't it…to see things as others do…. its so weird how so much comes down to those pesky genes..and that winning sperm

James wrote:
I reckon some choose to empathize with the dead guy who is now in no pain (assuming he's not burning in Hell*), while others choose to empathize with those whose actions the dead guy brought current pain to.

*Disclaimer: I don't believe in Hell

hutch wrote:
empathy is an interesting concept….. having a child with autism (maybe two) i never thought all that much about it.. i think i'm lacking in it at times.. i know my father is….. i dont mean to lack in it but i do.. i think about it more…the ability to look at things from other people's shoes…its really a great ability isn't it…to see things as others do…. its so weird how so much comes down to those pesky genes..and that winning sperm

what a silly thing to write james ford…why do you have to choose to empathize with one "side" or "another"…this ain't a ballgame buddy…this isn't israel vs gaza..this is one man's life…. of course one is sad for his survivors.. heck even for the world really… but at the end of the day i'm sad that robin williams felt that was the only thing he could do….. calling him a dick/coward for it is just unecessary…nobody appointed any of you judge and you don't know any of the actual facts..

the only thing i can say is a great artist died.. who gave me pleasure, and I gave him nothing, and I'm sad for his loss and the folks that loved and cared about him.. i have no idea what his relationships with his loved ones where… or even how many children he had.. i dont' concern myself with his personal life… just sad for his loss and that he was in such pain…

kurt cobain blew his brains off.. he was a very sick man…. I'm not going to say he was an evil man for doing that.. I have no idea what his demons were…..  could i ever bring myself to kill myself? no, first of all i lack the courage, second of all i could never do that to my children… but I am not mentally ill or at least not to that degree…:)

my reaction to kurt dying is pretty similar to robin….i'm sorry he felt that was what he had to do.. i don't sit around and judge him.. how can you judge someone you don't even know as some of you, and henry rollins, are doing..

Pretty sure you gave him something. $$$

I never called him a dick.

James wrote:
Pretty sure you gave him something. $$$

I never called him a dick.

i'll call rollins a dick.  he's a dick and he's ignorant and anyone who agrees with what he wrote should stick with what they know.  i normally don't mind rollins, i was never really a fan of his music, but i appreciate that he's candid and he expressed how he felt, but he is standing on the wrong side and his words read to me like he has no fucking clue what it means to have a mental illness.

we are all just trying to get through life, some of us finding more meaning in it than others, and by no means does that give anyone the fucking right to point a finger at the other side and say "you're doing it wrong, asshole".  as a relatively young boardie, i can tell you that after 18, there's very little parenting to do, and parents really struggle with finding meaning in life after their children have grown up.  the fact that rollins props up robin williams to get his point across about suicide is disgusting… his child is an adult at this point. 

So nobody has the right to point a finger and tell someone they fucked up? Puh-leeeze.  Some of us get criticized for our actions every day of the week. If we can take the criticism, so can Robin.

stevewizzle wrote:

James wrote:
Pretty sure you gave him something. $$$

I never called him a dick.

i'll call him a dick.  he's a dick and he's ignorant and anyone who agrees with what he wrote should stick with what they know.  i normally don't mind rollins, i was never really a fan of his music, but i appreciate that he's candid and he expressed how he felt, but he is standing on the wrong side and his words read to me like he has no fucking clue what it means to have a mental illness.

we are all just trying to get through life, some of us finding more meaning in it than others, and by no means does that give anyone the fucking right to point a finger at the other side and say "you're doing it wrong, asshole".  fuck henry rollins here.

James wrote:
So nobody has the right to point a finger and tell someone they fucked up? Puh-leeeze.  Some of us get criticized for our actions every day of the week. If we can take the criticism, so can Robin.

stevewizzle wrote:

James wrote:
Pretty sure you gave him something. $$$

I never called him a dick.

i'll call him a dick.  he's a dick and he's ignorant and anyone who agrees with what he wrote should stick with what they know.  i normally don't mind rollins, i was never really a fan of his music, but i appreciate that he's candid and he expressed how he felt, but he is standing on the wrong side and his words read to me like he has no fucking clue what it means to have a mental illness.

we are all just trying to get through life, some of us finding more meaning in it than others, and by no means does that give anyone the fucking right to point a finger at the other side and say "you're doing it wrong, asshole".  fuck henry rollins here.

i edited my original post a little bit for clarification.

but to respond to the question posed… i think it goes without saying "you've fucked up" if you end your life.  there's more humility in self reflection that death is final.  nobody has to write an op-ed about it.

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