pray for my soul… i just found out that evil spotify has the complete singles collection, while I don't want the entire collection it would be nice to listen to them and cherry pick some of the obscure releases…
Musicological banter
If you're more visually inclined to absorb information, here's a infographic on how Spotify, Last.FM, Rhapsody, etc. reduce the ability for a musician to make a living wage.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/11/how-musicians-really-make-money-in-one-long-graph/249267/
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/11/how-musicians-really-make-money-in-one-long-graph/249267/
I saw that yesterday. I wonder where Bandcamp would fit on that.
Is it ok to listen to archival music on Spotify? ;)
So is Wavves stuck forever playing venues the size of the Black Cat? Or is his career on that downward slope to Empire.
Go for the King Tough, leave before the Wavves.
I can already imagine the responses to this article and its main point, knowing people around here…
http://trustmeimascientist.com/2013/08/08/why-vinyl-is-not-going-to-save-the-music-industry/
(parts I am referring to below)
http://trustmeimascientist.com/2013/08/08/why-vinyl-is-not-going-to-save-the-music-industry/
(parts I am referring to below)
But ? Is the ?low sound quality of digital a turnoff??
There are two possible answers to this: A ) ?Yes, if by ?turnoff?, you mean ?people are listening to more music than ever before.? (They?re just not paying for it)? or B ) ?Yes, but only because our perception is dead wrong.?
Here?s the reality: Modern digital doesn?t have low sound quality. By any objective standard, it?s actually far better in terms of raw sound quality than vinyl is!
We?re not just talking about CDs here. This statement includes any good resolution downloads or streaming files. The problem is that music marketers have effectively been lying to listeners by telling them that modern digital doesn?t sound good. And we?ve got to stop. Now.
Perception affects enjoyment more than anything else. That?s where the failure is. Right now, by any objective standard, we have the best listening formats and equipment ever made, and at prices that are mind-bogglingly low.
In reality, modern digital actually sounds f*ing great. A 320kbps stream from Spotify, eMusic or MOG sounds indistinguishable from a CD when heard by the ear. This has been confirmed in countless blind tests. Meanwhile, within the spectrum of human hearing, a CD is unquestionably closer to the original master than vinyl is. We can prove that with measurements and we can prove it with listening tests. There is no doubt. Zero.
In terms of raw sound quality, what?s available today is provably higher-fidelity than vinyl, cassette, 8-track, reel-to-reel, wax cylinder, AM/FM radio, and just about any other consumer format ever invented. But we?re failing to tell that story.
At this point, we don?t need to convince the engineers to design better digital. They?ve already done their jobs. The technology is there. Now we?ve gotta do our jobs and convince people to start paying for it again!
Unfortunately, my friend went on to write:
?I?m embarrassed to admit that it has been years since I heard vinyl. That all changed 2 nights ago when I was at a friends house. I was sitting there and noticed the warmth, the sonic space, the timbre of the instruments. It was?sumptuous, sensual, dare I say, intoxicating.?
I believe my friend. Wouldn?t doubt him for a second. But here?s the thing: What really happened was that he sat down and listened to an amazing-sounding recording on a friends? stereo? Which was far better than his own. Of course you?re going to notice new things!
Yes: Great speakers sounds amazing. Hanging out with friends, listening to albums and feeding off of each others? enthusiasm is awesome. No question. These things can make a huge difference in perceived audio quality. Vinyl on the other hand? Not so much.
Don?t get me wrong ? Vinyl can be great. People actually can hear a difference under blind listening conditions. There can even be something so subtly familiar, ?so soft around the edges? about the medium. It?s just that with good vinyl, those differences are not that dramatic at all. And, when we prefer it, it?s because we like the measurably less pristine sound of the format.
It may be counter-intuitive to some vinyl promoters, but pretending that digital can?t sound as good or better than vinyl is a major part of the problem facing musicians today. Not only is it untrue, but it reinforces the backwards notion that today?s recordings just aren?t worth paying for. When we lie to kids and tell them digital is lousy, we?re effectively saying ?that sucks, you don?t have to pay for that garbage.? While in fact, ?that garbage? is among the best we?ve ever had.
The problem of musicians? income in the 21st century is not going to be solved by singing the praises of vinyl. It is going to be solved by developing great streaming services and making sure they pay fair rates. It?s going to be solved by reasonable and effective crackdowns on piracy. And it?s going to be solved by information campaigns that tell people the truth, inspiring them to put value back into the music that is already right there at their fingertips.
That is all that can save musicians. There is no way that vinyl can do it alone.
So spread the truth: If you want sound quality, we?ve got better sound quality today than ever before. If you want convenience and access, that?s here too. If you want low prices, my God are they low. Perhaps too low. If you want physicality and ritual, you can get that too. Buy your CDs, buy your vinyl. As long as you?re buying, those things are not going to go away.
Nice article. I do like a lot of things about vinyl, but I have always thought the 'outstanding sound difference' argument to be a little weak and hipsteresque
Sidehatch wrote:
Nice article. I do like a lot of things about vinyl, but I have always thought the 'outstanding sound difference' argument to be a little weak and hipsteresque
Vinyl sounds better to me. And why is there an argument anyway? If I prefer vinyl and I buy it everyone should be happy. Musicians get money. Jobs in US and Canada were the vinyl is pressed and the album covers are printed. Local record stores get cash from me.
as long as there are things to argue about, there will be arguments.
I'd much rather listen to a pristine digital file.
Would you prefer a VHS tape to a DVD? A cassette tape to a CD?
People like to inject subjective experiences into the objective vinyl vs digital debate (ie memories of youth and the "ritual" of listening to vinyl).
if you prefer it, good. But it doesnt mean it is better.
Did you read that article?
I'd much rather listen to a pristine digital file.
Would you prefer a VHS tape to a DVD? A cassette tape to a CD?
People like to inject subjective experiences into the objective vinyl vs digital debate (ie memories of youth and the "ritual" of listening to vinyl).
if you prefer it, good. But it doesnt mean it is better.
Did you read that article?
In terms of raw sound quality, what?s available today is provably higher-fidelity than vinyl, cassette, 8-track, reel-to-reel, wax cylinder, AM/FM radio, and just about any other consumer format ever invented. But we?re failing to tell that story.
killsaly wrote:
as long as there are things to argue about, there will be arguments.
I'd much rather listen to a pristine digital file.
Would you prefer a VHS tape to a DVD? A cassette tape to a CD?
People like to inject subjective experiences into the objective vinyl vs digital debate (ie memories of youth and the "ritual" of listening to vinyl).
if you prefer it, good. But it doesnt mean it is better.
Did you read that article?In terms of raw sound quality, what?s available today is provably higher-fidelity than vinyl, cassette, 8-track, reel-to-reel, wax cylinder, AM/FM radio, and just about any other consumer format ever invented. But we?re failing to tell that story.
This is an opinion. I have mine he has his. What difference does it make who is right? If I buy vinyl that is better for the industry than if I just downloaded MP3's for free. There is no way I would ever buy a CD. I would either download a file for free or buy the Album.
And VHS quality is awful. Beta was actually far superior. VHS was not analog. Movies were always samples of the action. 26 frames per second or whatever. Blue Ray is superior quality. If CD's sounded better to me I would use them. They don't to my ears.
I am not going to come out with an argument that you should buy Vinyl. Buy whatever you think is better. But I don't see what logical reason there is to convince someone that digitial is better.
because the quality can be measured, that was the whole point of the article!
;D
I dont just download mp3s for free, i imagine you are making a general statement and hopefully not directing it at me!
I spend LOTS of money on the music industry per year. Digital, Vinyl, tapes, CDs, concerts, posters, and T Shirts.
;D
I dont just download mp3s for free, i imagine you are making a general statement and hopefully not directing it at me!
I spend LOTS of money on the music industry per year. Digital, Vinyl, tapes, CDs, concerts, posters, and T Shirts.
So what's the deal with the 96k digital format, haven't had a chance to look into it. It's something Toad The Wet Sprocket keep touting with their Kickstarter. It's not a bandcamp providedformat. And never seen it on offer before.
kosmo wrote:
So what's the deal with the 96k digital format, haven't had a chance to look into it. It's something Toad The Wet Sprocket keep touting with their Kickstarter. It's not a bandcamp providedformat. And never seen it on offer before.
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/blog/2012/05/17/new-format-news-dolby-truehd-advanced-96k-upsampling
kosmo wrote:
So what's the deal with the 96k digital format, haven't had a chance to look into it. It's something Toad The Wet Sprocket keep touting with their Kickstarter. It's not a bandcamp providedformat. And never seen it on offer before.
Myeah it actually<a href="https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=9624albums&bitrate=e192> goes up to 192 khz</a> (no theoretical limit I suppose), but you tend to have to have special hardware for that to be meaningful, and I'm not sure I want Rod Stewart sounding that close to my ears.
Well I'm intrigued now, I'm guessing those files are huge and it may take some doing to get them to play…
There has always been bullshit surrounding sound reproduction, and nowadays most of it is coming from the vinylistas. This recent op-ed at Digital Music News is a primo example. Check out this prose:
In closing, I just want to touch upon one more thing for artists considering investing in vinyl. There is another benefit, above and beyond the monetary, and that is the emotional factor. From art school hipsters to old school misters, people are drawn to vinyl; drawn to it as something more than just an audio format. And yes, part of that is just image. Part of that is just people wanting to be "cool." Part of that is the aura of elite intellectualism surrounding the appreciation of an antiquated commodity.
In closing, I just want to touch upon one more thing for artists considering investing in vinyl. There is another benefit, above and beyond the monetary, and that is the emotional factor. From art school hipsters to old school misters, people are drawn to vinyl; drawn to it as something more than just an audio format. And yes, part of that is just image. Part of that is just people wanting to be "cool." Part of that is the aura of elite intellectualism surrounding the appreciation of an antiquated commodity.
killsaly wrote:
because the quality can be measured, that was the whole point of the article!
;D
I dont just download mp3s for free, i imagine you are making a general statement and hopefully not directing it at me!
I spend LOTS of money on the music industry per year. Digital, Vinyl, tapes, CDs, concerts, posters, and T Shirts.
No I was directing it to myself.
This whole argument about what form of media is better is weak though. It all goes in circles anyway. Two forms of media people will not go back to are the following: for anything visual, laser discs, and for anything based on audio, 8-tracks. LOL. Everything else goes in cycles. People hate CDs but yet love tapes and vinyl all of a sudden again. Digital media is great until you don't back it up and lose it if your computer ever goes down. I really don't know to many people even into Blu-rays like that or even like DVDs too much anymore since its all about what you can stream/download online mostly. It all comes down to what you're really comfortable with having in your collection in whichever form you prefer.