How have we not talked about Nicki Minaj's justified call-out of the music industry/MTV for snubbing her in the VMA nominations and Taylor Swift's wrong-headed, tone-deaf response?
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azaghal1981 wrote:The majority of the nominees were minorities. She has no point. Unless her point was she was snubbed because she's larger than Taylor Swift in which case she could always just lose some goddamn weight.
How have we not talked about Nicki Minaj's justified call-out of the music industry/MTV for snubbing her in the VMA nominations and Taylor Swift's wrong-headed, tone-deaf response?
http://bit.ly/1gObO58
Anyone who calls "outrage" of a "VMA nomination snub" "justified" needs to get a grip.
Ed Sheeran getting the nod over her in the video of the year category is quite a headscratcher.
Does anyone here actually know what that Ed Sheeran song sounds like? "Anaconda" on the other hand was inescapable and… pretty damn awesome.
Does anyone here actually know what that Ed Sheeran song sounds like? "Anaconda" on the other hand was inescapable and… pretty damn awesome.
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Her tweets werenot about Ed Sheeran. She referenced "the skinny girls" and discussed a choreography nomination Ed Sheeren did not get. It was a direct reference to either Taylor or Queen B, and she wasn't calling out Bey, obviously. Any other interpretation is intellectually dishonest and an attempt to shoehorn someone else's beef into Minaj's comments.
And again, this is the VMAs we are talking about. The ESPYs think this is utterly meaningless.
And again, this is the VMAs we are talking about. The ESPYs think this is utterly meaningless.
And also the (EDIT: first) article you linked is ridiculous. White women have had it worse than black men for the last 150 years in America. Any idea that racism trumps sexism is just ridiculous.
azaghal1981 wrote:
Ed Sheeran getting the nod over her in the video of the year category is quite a headscratcher.
Does anyone here actually know what that Ed Sheeran song sounds like? "Anaconda" on the other hand was inescapable and… pretty damn awesome.
A blind man voicing a definitive opinion about music VIDEOS is quite a headscratcher.
Says the guy who reviews shows without attending them.
Space wrote:azaghal1981 wrote:
Ed Sheeran getting the nod over her in the video of the year category is quite a headscratcher.
Does anyone here actually know what that Ed Sheeran song sounds like? "Anaconda" on the other hand was inescapable and… pretty damn awesome.
A blind man voicing a definitive opinion about music VIDEOS is quite a headscratcher.
^^ Epic. Every time.
Julian, wrote:azaghal1981 wrote:The majority of the nominees were minorities. She has no point. Unless her point was she was snubbed because she's larger than Taylor Swift in which case she could always just lose some goddamn weight.
How have we not talked about Nicki Minaj's justified call-out of the music industry/MTV for snubbing her in the VMA nominations and Taylor Swift's wrong-headed, tone-deaf response?
http://bit.ly/1gObO58
Anyone who calls "outrage" of a "VMA nomination snub" "justified" needs to get a grip.
We are all minorities.
RatBastard wrote:
We are all minorities.
not in significant ways ("i'm a former skateboarder, less than 0.1% of the population!!!").
you're a white male, AKA the majority.
azaghal1981 wrote:
Says the guy who reviews shows without attending them.Space wrote:
A blind man voicing a definitive opinion about music VIDEOS is quite a headscratcher.
Julian, wrote:And again, this is the VMAs we are talking about. The ESPYs think this is utterly meaningless.
there is some quality writing going down here, people. pay attention!
On a sort of related topic, I just came across this.
As tempting as it is to respond to Julian's comment that white women have had it worse than black men here since the end of slavery, a discussion on Jim Crow, racial profiling and mass incarceration would swing this thread way off the intended topic.
As tempting as it is to respond to Julian's comment that white women have had it worse than black men here since the end of slavery, a discussion on Jim Crow, racial profiling and mass incarceration would swing this thread way off the intended topic.
azaghal1981 wrote:I concur.
As tempting as it is to respond to Julian's comment that white women have had it worse than black men here since the end of slavery, a discussion on Jim Crow, racial profiling and mass incarceration would swing this thread way off the intended topic.
A discussion of systematic unprosecuted sexual assault, wage disparity, and a de facto ban on hiring women for certain jobs would derail the Musicological banter. A comparison of the relative dates at which white women and black men were allowed to own property; vote; first served in Congress, the Senate, state governorships, the Supreme Court, and the Presidency; and were allowed to serve in liturgical roles in the majority of mainstream religions would be an annoying and longwinded sideshow on the board. The fact that women could be legally sodomized by their husbands in the majority of states IN OUR LIFETIMES would be a downright bummer to think about.
This would all take away from the true victim which is a multimillionaire rapper who didn't get a choreography nomination in America's 17th most prestigious arts award.
azaghal1981 wrote:BTW, you do understand this was basically Taylor Swift's response ("maybe one of the guys took your slot") that you were earlier calling "wrong-headed" and "tone-deaf," correct?
Ed Sheeran getting the nod over her in the video of the year category is quite a headscratcher.
Does anyone here actually know what that Ed Sheeran song sounds like?
It was wrong-headed (and a little self-centered) for Swift to assume she was personally attacked. Minaj's tweets still read as more of a generalization about the industry and music press as a whole (who still have their fair share of unresolved race/sex/body type issues) to me.
azaghal1981 wrote:I think you're giving Minaj way too much credit. That's what annoys me about this: virtually every article about it spends no time actually discussing what Minaj actually said and instead is a missive about the author's personal agenda and presuming that is what Minaj was trying to say. But if you look at her ACTUAL words she said she was mad that she didn't get a nomination this year but "other girls… skinny girls" did. So it wasn't about Ed Sheeran, Bruno Mars, or Kendrick Mars. She was definitely DIRECTLY talking about either Taylor Swift or Beyonce.
It was wrong-headed (and a little self-centered) for Swift to assume she was personally attacked. Minaj's tweets still read as more of a generalization about the industry and music press as a whole (who still have their fair share of unresolved race/sex/body type issues) to me.
And of all of the varied "hot takes" written about this idiocy, the only one I haven't seen is the one that thinks she was calling out Beyonce.
If she were a true feminist rather than simply an attention whore, she'd be calling attention to how horribly women are treated in Saudi Arabia rather than complaining about only skinny girls getting video award nominations. ;)
Space wrote:I know you're mostly trolling but I agree. This is not a racism/sexism issue. It's about fat acceptance and Minaj should be shouted down from the rooftop over that. Want a nomination? Stop shoveling cake in your face and become a skinny girl.
If she were a true feminist rather than simply an attention whore, she'd be calling attention to how horribly women are treated in Saudi Arabia rather than complaining about only skinny girls getting video award nominations. ;)