Musicological banter

Julian, wrote:

Space wrote:
If she were a true feminist rather than simply an attention whore, she'd be calling attention to how horribly women are treated in Saudi Arabia rather than complaining about only skinny girls getting video award nominations.  ;)

I know you're mostly trolling but I agree. This is not a racism/sexism issue. It's about fat acceptance and Minaj should be shouted down from the rooftop over that. Want a nomination? Stop shoveling cake in your face and become a skinny girl.

Admittedly I don't follow pop music. But isn't it about whose music video is better? What does race, gender, or body type have to do with anything?

If video awards were based on physical attractriveness alone, I'd tak Nicki over Taylor in a hearbeat.

Space wrote:
But isn't it about whose music video is better?

Yes, but Minaj's point isn't that her video was better. She explicitly didn't say that. She just complained that "skinny girls" get nominations. She is the person bringing weight into it, not anyone else. She is the person – not me, not MTV – who is under the belief that she didn't get a nomination because "durrr, thin privilege." Fat privilege is being able to talk about other people's weight with impunity but if anyone talks about yours, they'd be crucified.

Here's another great example of thin shaming:

let me know if anyone needs that script I used to use for atomic to block this thread.

Yeah, I suppose it'd be nice if she took our government to task for propping up that monstrous regime for as long as it has.

Space wrote:
If she were a true feminist rather than simply an attention whore, she'd be calling attention to how horribly women are treated in Saudi Arabia rather than complaining about only skinny girls getting video award nominations.  ;)

Hey, what's everyone's thoughts on Israel?

Julian, wrote:
Hey, what's everyone's thoughts on Israel?

Would it be sexist for me to post this link?

http://thechive.com/2014/12/16/happy-hanukkah-gorgeous-israeli-women-19-photos/

Space wrote:
Would it be sexist for me to post this link?

http://thechive.com/2014/12/16/happy-hanukkah-gorgeous-israeli-women-19-photos/

Nikki Minaj is triggered that only skinny girls get posted in that link.

azaghal1981 wrote:
Yeah, I suppose it'd be nice if she took our government to task for propping up that monstrous regime for as long as it has.

Space wrote:
If she were a true feminist rather than simply an attention whore, she'd be calling attention to how horribly women are treated in Saudi Arabia rather than complaining about only skinny girls getting video award nominations.  ;)

That would indeed be great but somehow i don't see it happening.

Keeping it musicological, http://thequietus.com/articles/18163-cultural-boycott-israel

Julian, wrote:
Hey, what's everyone's thoughts on Israel?

http://www.haaretz.com/life/music-theater/.premium-1.667617 ;?

Banter you say?

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Julian, wrote:

azaghal1981 wrote:
As tempting as it is to respond to Julian's comment that white women have had it worse than black men here since the end of slavery, a discussion on Jim Crow, racial profiling and mass incarceration would swing this thread way off the intended topic.

I concur.

A discussion of systematic unprosecuted sexual assault, wage disparity, and a de facto ban on hiring women for certain jobs would derail the Musicological banter. A comparison of the relative dates at which white women and black men were allowed to own property; vote; first served in Congress, the Senate, state governorships, the Supreme Court, and the Presidency; and were allowed to serve in liturgical roles in the majority of mainstream religions would be an annoying and longwinded sideshow on the board. The fact that women could be legally sodomized by their husbands in the majority of states IN OUR LIFETIMES would be a downright bummer to think about.

This would all take away from the true victim which is a multimillionaire rapper who didn't get a choreography nomination in America's 17th most prestigious arts award.

I thought it was funny, reading this argument between two guys who are neither black nor female. I guess at least that makes you both (perhaps) impartial. So I brought the question up at the dinner table Friday night. My wife appreciated that I had something to talk about other than beer, baseball, music, and film ((anti-)religion is usually her topic). So thanks to you two for that.

I figured being married to me, she'd for sure project and claim that women have had it harder than blacks in the last 150 years. But alas, her vote was that blacks have had it harder than women. So there you go.

She also said that both the TS and NM videos are both weak…and she's usually pretty friendly to cheez pop like that. Oh well.

Space wrote:
So thanks to you two for that.

I just try and make a difference.

If Taylor Swift ever somehow made a great album, it would sound something like the new Ashley Monroe album.

Space wrote:
If Taylor Swift ever somehow made a great album, it would sound something like the new Ashley Monroe album.

I heard her website just got hacked and a lot of guys who were trying to cheat on their wives with her are getting prettay, prettay, prettay nervous.

tyler, the creator . . . accuses, wrongly, some woman from Australia of being behind the fact he can,not play in that country, on twitter.  then tyler,s fans, on twitter, are threatening to kill said woman and rape her.  now, tyler, again on twitter, is saying he has nothing to do with such threats and they are not coming from him. 

ahh, the internet, and twitter.

when I grow up, I want to be like chief keef . . . where I can have so many arrest warrants out on me, that I can,not even play at my own concert, and have to show up as a hologram, only to have said concert shut down by the police, after one song, because I am such a menace to society.

walk,on,by wrote:
tyler, the creator . . . accuses, wrongly, some woman from Australia of being behind the fact he can,not play in that country, on twitter.  then tyler,s fans, on twitter, are threatening to kill said woman and rape her.  now, tyler, again on twitter, is saying he has nothing to do with such threats and they are not coming from him. 

ahh, the internet, and twitter.

And Australia says that he's actually not banned from there.

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