Musicological banter

Eat a bag of dicks Sharron

After Sharon Osbourne called for Kneecap's work visas to be revoked, the group responded by telling her to listen to Black Sabbath's "War Pigs."

grateful wrote:
Phish for the win!

https://consequence.net/2025/04/phish-win-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-fan-vote/

Phish Snubbed by Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Despite Winning Fan Vote
https://consequence.net/2025/04/phish-snubbed-rock-hall-despite-fan-vote/

You got to love it White Stripes got one of the fewest public vote totals and get in. Meanwhile Billy Idol and Phish did well with the public vote and don’t get in….

They really need to do away with the public vote.

Democracy American style

hutch wrote:
You got to love it White Stripes got one of the fewest public vote totals and get in. Meanwhile Billy Idol and Phish did well with the public vote and don’t get in….

They really need to do away with the public vote.

Democracy American style

It's not a democracy, it's a meritocracy, and that's why Bad Company got it.

Fair - except Bad company was mediocre (Free I would approve of)- but why have people vote if it doesn’t matter? To give it the impression they care what you think when in reality they care about what they want. And why are critics and industry folk better at deciding who deserves to be in than regular music listeners?

pretty weak sauce that the winner of the pop vote doesn't get in
why even ask

although I would posit they are not rock nor roll and may have been disqualified on stench alone

BarelyHatch wrote:
pretty weak sauce that the winner of the pop vote doesn't get in
why even ask

I just told you: to give you the illusion you have some say. Kind of like you get one vote and Elon gets one vote plus $250 million.

There’s no objective, subjective, qualitative, or quantitative measure in which Phish can hold a candle to Bad Company.

And Bad Company is Clash-level terrible.

There is absolutely no fuckin’ doubt Phish should be in the RRHOF.

Along with -to some limited degree DMB -they took the whole jam band thing to stratospheric heights.

Think about all the jam bands that have followed.

Yes, I can hear the guffaws, that’s a lot to answer for! But if a music act is incredibly successful and influential I think that’s enough to get in regardless of one’s own opinion of the greatness of the music. And anyways I think up to about 1998 Phish music was quality.

But that’s the main criteria in my mind:

Popularity or success
Influence
Quality

I view influence as the most important. But if you have influence and popularity or influence and quality you should get in. The Velvet Underground, for example, are in because they had influence and quality even if their records all stiffed. Grand Funk was simply popular so they don’t get in.

It’s hard for me to understand the Chubby Checker induction. He helped popularize a dance craze but that’s about it. But am not opposed to him getting in. It wouldn’t have bothered me if every nominee but Mana had gotten in.

Of course the biggest snub is New Order.

The most important musical act of the past 45 years and they can’t get in even combined with Joy Division!

But it was expected.

The winner of the fan vote basically gets one more "real" vote, right?  That's how I always understood it.  It really has no influence on the outcome at all.  It's basically an effective marketing ploy.  Phish will get in eventually - and I have no problem with Bad Company or Chubby Checker getting in.  I had assumed CC was already there and Bad Company was one of the biggest bands of the 70s.

One real vote out of 1200 is what I heard.

hutch wrote:
There is absolutely no fuckin’ doubt Phish should be in the RRHOF.

Along with -to some limited degree DMB -they took the whole jam band thing to stratospheric heights.

Think about all the jam bands that have followed.

Yes, I can hear the guffaws, that’s a lot to answer for! But if a music act is incredibly successful and influential I think that’s enough to get in regardless of one’s own opinion of the greatness of the music. And anyways I think up to about 1998 Phish music was quality.

But that’s the main criteria in my mind:

Popularity or success
Influence
Quality

I view influence as the most important. But if you have influence and popularity or influence and quality you should get in. The Velvet Underground, for example, are in because they had influence and quality even if their records all stiffed. Grand Funk was simply popular so they don’t get in.

It’s hard for me to understand the Chubby Checker induction. He helped popularize a dance craze but that’s about it. But am not opposed to him getting in. It wouldn’t have bothered me if every nominee but Mana had gotten in.

This is one of those arguments akin to “well, actually Hitler should win Time Magazines Person of the Year! Who had a bigger impact?”

You had to go Godwin…somebody always goes Godwin.

BarelyHatch wrote:

Yada wrote:
edit: space saw him at Iota

actually I don't think he did, but I did


and you are not wrong about the 24 albums he's released in the last two decades, there are a few gems…but very few
why can't he just do like ween or billy Joel

To clarify, I didn't get into the Ryan Adams show at Iota. It was sold out. But I watched some of it from the front window.

I did see Whiskeytown play a free show at a record store in Chapel Hill. The later a show in Raleigh and even later a show with Fastball at the Bayou in Georgetown.

Thank you for your time. If anyone has an extra for Sharon Van Etten tonight, let me know.

Space wrote:

BarelyHatch wrote:

Yada wrote:
edit: space saw him at Iota

actually I don't think he did, but I did


and you are not wrong about the 24 albums he's released in the last two decades, there are a few gems…but very few
why can't he just do like ween or billy Joel

To clarify, I didn't get into the Ryan Adams show at Iota. It was sold out. But I watched some of it from the front window.

I did see Whiskeytown play a free show at a record store in Chapel Hill. The later a show in Raleigh and even later a show with Fastball at the Bayou in Georgetown.

Thank you for your time. If anyone has an extra for Sharon Van Etten tonight, let me know.

I tried to see whiskeytown at the bayou
Showed up at 9:30 and the bouncer was like “shows over bro”

Space wrote:

BarelyHatch wrote:

Yada wrote:
edit: space saw him at Iota

actually I don't think he did, but I did


and you are not wrong about the 24 albums he's released in the last two decades, there are a few gems…but very few
why can't he just do like ween or billy Joel

To clarify, I didn't get into the Ryan Adams show at Iota. It was sold out. But I watched some of it from the front window.

I did see Whiskeytown play a free show at a record store in Chapel Hill. The later a show in Raleigh and even later a show with Fastball at the Bayou in Georgetown.

Thank you for your time. If anyone has an extra for Sharon Van Etten tonight, let me know.

Please please use the free tickets request thread

This is its explicit purpose

hutch wrote:

Space wrote:

BarelyHatch wrote:

Yada wrote:
edit: space saw him at Iota

actually I don't think he did, but I did


and you are not wrong about the 24 albums he's released in the last two decades, there are a few gems…but very few
why can't he just do like ween or billy Joel

To clarify, I didn't get into the Ryan Adams show at Iota. It was sold out. But I watched some of it from the front window.

I did see Whiskeytown play a free show at a record store in Chapel Hill. The later a show in Raleigh and even later a show with Fastball at the Bayou in Georgetown.

Thank you for your time. If anyone has an extra for Sharon Van Etten tonight, let me know.

Please please use the free tickets request thread

This is its explicit purpose

Sorry. To clarify, I'll pay anything up to face. For SVE. Not Ryan Adams.

Why you got to be that way bro? Why you hurt me?

hutch wrote:
New Order.

The most important musical act of the past 45 years

this take is risible.