Musicological banter

I still say ZZ Top. Gayest band name ever.

bearman wrote:

Unsanity wrote:
I always find weird stuff in old LPs. Never anything valuable though. Weed seeds and stems, Porn DVDs, divorce papers, newspaper clippings. The two most interesting items were a creepy black and white photo of a very old woman inside of Black Sabbath's Vol. 4 and possible homosexual love letter (can't remember what record that was in though)

If I was expecting to find a homosexual love letter in an LP, I'd guess it was probably Bette Midler, Yaz, the Smiths, or the Rollins Band. Something like Torch Song Trilogy or Hedwig would be too obvious. I think those automatically come with gay love letters.

James wrote:
I still say ZZ Top. Gayest band name ever.

Not to mention they take the concept of a mustache ride to absolute extremes. Good call, Rhett.

So I was asked by a traveling hip hop MC (who I kind of know) if I knew any good local hip-hop for Baltimore, to add to a show at Club K next week.  I told him "sure" and sent a list of people that I like.  Height, Mighty Mark, Mickey Free, Sam from Future Islands, Glittoris aka Sara of Wing Dam/Which Magic…

He then proceeded to contact Mighty Mark, and book him.  Without listening to his music.  I get a message a bit later saying "oh no. Big Booby Bitch is one of his songs?"  To which i reply "yeah, he is a Bmore Club dude, most of his music will be like that."

To which he replied "We'll survive it. Just have to suspend our feminism for a night."

Anyways this is directed to him but I am not saying it to his face, since I kind of know him:

1.  You didn't listen before you booked him?  That is on you, because you asked me who I LIKED.  No caveats about what type of hip-hop it could be.

2.  Feminists?  I am not a fan of guys who label themselves that.  You are NOT a feminist.  You are a dude who is empathetic to the struggles of females.  ALL males should be this way without trying to label themselves.   SMH

3.  The addition of MM playing (and also Ricky Ray) means that people MIGHT ACTUALLY SHOW UP.  if they werent booked, the show would draw… Maybe 5 people.

Anyways, I thought the whole situation was humorous and thought I would share… (the feminist stuff should be taken with a grain of salt, i really don't care what people label themselves, just thought it was a bit silly)
A nice write up on male feminists:
http://monkeysgonetoheaven.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/is-the-male-feminist-nothing-but-an-oxymoron/

Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

On a related feminist note, The two members of Pussy Riot that were recently released from prison have been unceremoniously booted from the collective. The letter does make some valid points; the most valid being that appearing at a big corporate orgy like the one that happened last night goes against what they theoretically stand for.

azaghal1981 wrote:
Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

stevewizzle wrote:

azaghal1981 wrote:
Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

This would make you a male chauvinist.

atomic wrote:

stevewizzle wrote:

azaghal1981 wrote:
Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

atomic wrote:

stevewizzle wrote:

azaghal1981 wrote:
Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

okay, return to my initial logic… if some woman wanted to label themselves as a misogynist because they felt like they hated women, why would anyone care?

Isn't the better thing to say is that you think a child should have a stay at home parent, and in most cases the female is better equipped to be the one who does so? That's my thought on that subject, as well as my wifes.


I don't think saying that makes a person a male or female chauvinist.

atomic wrote:

stevewizzle wrote:

azaghal1981 wrote:
Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

James wrote:
Isn't the better thing to say is that you think a child should have a stay at home parent, and in most cases the female is better equipped to be the one who does so? That's my thought on that subject, as well as my wifes.


I don't think saying that makes a person a male or female chauvinist.

atomic wrote:

stevewizzle wrote:

azaghal1981 wrote:
Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

My wife doesn't think she should work after the child is born but hey that new Audi that I want isn't going to pay for itself.  Does that make me a feminist?

stevewizzle wrote:

atomic wrote:

stevewizzle wrote:

azaghal1981 wrote:
Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

okay, return to my initial logic… if some woman wanted to label themselves as a misogynist because they felt like they hated women, why would anyone care?

Would it be OK if I labeled my self a lesbian or would that be annoying?

atomic wrote:

stevewizzle wrote:

atomic wrote:

stevewizzle wrote:

azaghal1981 wrote:
Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

okay, return to my initial logic… if some woman wanted to label themselves as a misogynist because they felt like they hated women, why would anyone care?

Would it be OK if I labeled my self a lesbian or would that be annoying?

oh go fuck yourself.

stevewizzle wrote:

atomic wrote:

stevewizzle wrote:

atomic wrote:

stevewizzle wrote:

azaghal1981 wrote:
Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

okay, return to my initial logic… if some woman wanted to label themselves as a misogynist because they felt like they hated women, why would anyone care?

Would it be OK if I labeled my self a lesbian or would that be annoying?

oh go fuck yourself.

You are a poor loser.

atomic wrote:

stevewizzle wrote:

atomic wrote:

stevewizzle wrote:

atomic wrote:

stevewizzle wrote:

azaghal1981 wrote:
Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

okay, return to my initial logic… if some woman wanted to label themselves as a misogynist because they felt like they hated women, why would anyone care?

Would it be OK if I labeled my self a lesbian or would that be annoying?

oh go fuck yourself.

You are a poor loser.

true, but you changed the rules of the game.

Hexenjagd wrote:

A study called ?Egalitarianism, Housework and Sexual Frequency in Marriage,? which appeared in The American Sociological Review last year, surprised many, precisely because it went against the logical assumption that as marriages improve by becoming more equal, the sex in these marriages will improve, too. Instead, it found that when men did certain kinds of chores around the house, couples had less sex. Specifically, if men did all of what the researchers characterized as feminine chores like folding laundry, cooking or vacuuming ? the kinds of things many women say they want their husbands to do ? then couples had sex 1.5 fewer times per month than those with husbands who did what were considered masculine chores, like taking out the trash or fixing the car. It wasn?t just the frequency that was affected, either ? at least for the wives. The more traditional the division of labor, meaning the greater the husband?s share of masculine chores compared with feminine ones, the greater his wife?s reported sexual satisfaction.

ggw wrote:

Hexenjagd wrote:

A study called ?Egalitarianism, Housework and Sexual Frequency in Marriage,? which appeared in The American Sociological Review last year, surprised many, precisely because it went against the logical assumption that as marriages improve by becoming more equal, the sex in these marriages will improve, too. Instead, it found that when men did certain kinds of chores around the house, couples had less sex. Specifically, if men did all of what the researchers characterized as feminine chores like folding laundry, cooking or vacuuming ? the kinds of things many women say they want their husbands to do ? then couples had sex 1.5 fewer times per month than those with husbands who did what were considered masculine chores, like taking out the trash or fixing the car. It wasn?t just the frequency that was affected, either ? at least for the wives. The more traditional the division of labor, meaning the greater the husband?s share of masculine chores compared with feminine ones, the greater his wife?s reported sexual satisfaction.

Take note, James Ford.

azaghal1981 wrote:
Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

I did not mean to imply that it cannot exist, I was more making an observation on the absurdity of this rappers claim that he was a feminist rapper.

Having a partner with good cunnilingus skills also probably helps contribute to a woman's reported sexual satisfaction.

I'm not sure if it factors into this conversation, but has anybody seen the movie Don Jon? My wife had a total boner for JGL's character, not because of his chiseled body, but because he was so obsessive about keeping his apartment clean.

Also my main point was music related - he didn't listen to who he booked beforehand.

We can start a male feminist thread…