Musicological banter

You're going to send your kid to daycare so that you can have an Audi? That doesn't make you a feminist, it makes you a bad parent.  ;)

atomic wrote:

James wrote:
Isn't the better thing to say is that you think a child should have a stay at home parent, and in most cases the female is better equipped to be the one who does so? That's my thought on that subject, as well as my wifes.


I don't think saying that makes a person a male or female chauvinist.

atomic wrote:

stevewizzle wrote:

azaghal1981 wrote:
Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

My wife doesn't think she should work after the child is born but hey that new Audi that I want isn't going to pay for itself.  Does that make me a feminist?

James wrote:
You're going to send your kid to daycare so that you can have an Audi? That doesn't make you a feminist, it makes you a bad parent.  ;)

never ceases to amaze me how so many of your posts amount to patting yourself on the back for the choices you make…this is one technique: criticizing people who haven't made the same choices you made… people are not bad parents for sending their kids to daycare

you must be very insecure about the choices you make to need to point out their correctness to strangers on a semi-permanent basis..

;)

So are you saying that putting a baby in daycare (when it's actually a choice) is actually a better parenting decision than having a loving parent stay home with that baby? Because if you are, you're wrong.

hutch wrote:

James wrote:
You're going to send your kid to daycare so that you can have an Audi? That doesn't make you a feminist, it makes you a bad parent.  ;)

never ceases to amaze me how so many of your posts amount to patting yourself on the back for the choices you make…this is one technique: criticizing people who haven't made the same choices you made… people are not bad parents for sending their kids to daycare

you must be very insecure about the choices you make to need to point out their correctness to strangers on a semi-permanent basis..

i just want to apologize to everyone for somehow catalyzing the parenting circle jerk again.

back to music: future islands fucking rules.  how did i just discover these guys?  stoked to see them in a few weeks.

also, i ordered after dark 1 and 2 yesterday on clear vinyl.  spotify streaming did these albums zero justice and i'm stoked to blast this shit on high quality.

I recommend all Of their albums, and also their releases from when they were known as Art Lords and the Self Portraits.

The members are also in these groups: the snails, peals, archer twins, moss of aura (garret solo) and hemlock Ernst (Sam solo rapping).

Oh well I will be driving my  new  Audi the three miles to work while you sit on a subway for two hours a day.  If it makes you to feel better about it being good parenting more power to you.

James wrote:
You're going to send your kid to daycare so that you can have an Audi? That doesn't make you a feminist, it makes you a bad parent.  ;)

atomic wrote:

James wrote:
Isn't the better thing to say is that you think a child should have a stay at home parent, and in most cases the female is better equipped to be the one who does so? That's my thought on that subject, as well as my wifes.


I don't think saying that makes a person a male or female chauvinist.

atomic wrote:

stevewizzle wrote:

azaghal1981 wrote:
Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

My wife doesn't think she should work after the child is born but hey that new Audi that I want isn't going to pay for itself.  Does that make me a feminist?

Enjoy your ride now, then enjoy your life 30 years from now when your daycare kid puts you in a nursing home.  ;)

atomic wrote:
Oh well I will be driving my  new  Audi the three miles to work while you sit on a subway for two hours a day.   If it makes you to feel better about it being good parenting more power to you.

James wrote:
You're going to send your kid to daycare so that you can have an Audi? That doesn't make you a feminist, it makes you a bad parent.  ;)

atomic wrote:

James wrote:
Isn't the better thing to say is that you think a child should have a stay at home parent, and in most cases the female is better equipped to be the one who does so? That's my thought on that subject, as well as my wifes.


I don't think saying that makes a person a male or female chauvinist.

atomic wrote:

stevewizzle wrote:

azaghal1981 wrote:
Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

My wife doesn't think she should work after the child is born but hey that new Audi that I want isn't going to pay for itself.  Does that make me a feminist?

Sounds like a plan.  If I am so bad that I need to be in a nursing home I doubt I will care where I am. 

James wrote:
Enjoy your ride now, then enjoy your life 30 years from now when your daycare kid puts you in a nursing home.  ;)

atomic wrote:
Oh well I will be driving my  new  Audi the three miles to work while you sit on a subway for two hours a day.   If it makes you to feel better about it being good parenting more power to you.

James wrote:
You're going to send your kid to daycare so that you can have an Audi? That doesn't make you a feminist, it makes you a bad parent.  ;)

atomic wrote:

James wrote:
Isn't the better thing to say is that you think a child should have a stay at home parent, and in most cases the female is better equipped to be the one who does so? That's my thought on that subject, as well as my wifes.


I don't think saying that makes a person a male or female chauvinist.

atomic wrote:

stevewizzle wrote:

azaghal1981 wrote:
Agree with 1 and 3 but there is nothing in the definition of "feminist" that says that feminists have to be women.

agree.

do we really care that much about what someone labels themselves?  i mean really, if someone cares that much that they are going out of their way to label themselves as such, who are we to tell them "no man, your credentials don't match up". if we don't have a way to label ourselves outside the default (misogynist), i don't see a better alternative to using the label "feminist".

So women can call themselves misogynists?  I don't think that is the default.  Misogynist means you hate women.  You can be anti-feminist without hating women.  For example, you could think women should stay at home raising children but that doesn't mean you hate women. 

My wife doesn't think she should work after the child is born but hey that new Audi that I want isn't going to pay for itself.  Does that make me a feminist?

listen: no matter how incredible you are at parenting, someone else is going to be a shitty parent. and their shitty kid is eventually going to cross paths with your kid, and bam, your kid is shitty too.

I'm glad my wife doesn't read this board anymore. If she did, she'd see your comment and use it to further her argument for homeschooling.

So I really like this album.
http://www.npr.org/2014/01/26/264996373/first-listen-jeremy-messersmith-heart-murmurs

In some pictures, he even vaguely looks like you.

Does that count as a contribution to this thread?

stevewizzle wrote:
listen: no matter how incredible you are at parenting, someone else is going to be a shitty parent. and their shitty kid is eventually going to cross paths with your kid, and bam, your kid is shitty too.

James wrote:
I'm glad my wife doesn't read this board anymore. If she did, she'd see your comment and use it to further her argument for homeschooling.

So I really like this album.
http://www.npr.org/2014/01/26/264996373/first-listen-jeremy-messersmith-heart-murmurs

In some pictures, he even vaguely looks like you.

Does that count as a contribution to this thread?

stevewizzle wrote:
listen: no matter how incredible you are at parenting, someone else is going to be a shitty parent. and their shitty kid is eventually going to cross paths with your kid, and bam, your kid is shitty too.

HH

Only child that is home schooled?  Sounds like a future serial killer.  Every person I have met that has been home schooled has been pretty much insane and has poor personal hygiene. 

That's an argument my wife won't win.  ;D

How many people do you know who were homeschooled? I know only one, and her hygiene is fine. Sanity debateable.

So what do you guys think of the new Marissa Nadler album?

atomic wrote:

James wrote:
I'm glad my wife doesn't read this board anymore. If she did, she'd see your comment and use it to further her argument for homeschooling.

So I really like this album.
http://www.npr.org/2014/01/26/264996373/first-listen-jeremy-messersmith-heart-murmurs

In some pictures, he even vaguely looks like you.

Does that count as a contribution to this thread?

stevewizzle wrote:
listen: no matter how incredible you are at parenting, someone else is going to be a shitty parent. and their shitty kid is eventually going to cross paths with your kid, and bam, your kid is shitty too.

HH

Only child that is home schooled?  Sounds like a future serial killer.  Every person I have met that has been home schooled has been pretty much insane and has poor personal hygiene. 

i only have one home-schooled friend. he plays in one of those awful folk bands, plays one of the yeehaw instruments, wears dumb hats, and in conversation, sounds pretentious at every moment they are provided the opportunity.  don't home school.

And I apologize if I offended anybody. Child rearing is just something I have strong opinions about, and i'm not good at filtering myself. If what I say offends, don't take it personally and just skip by what I say!

stevewizzle wrote:
i just want to apologize to everyone for somehow catalyzing the parenting circle jerk again.

back to music: future islands fucking rules.  how did i just discover these guys?  stoked to see them in a few weeks.

also, i ordered after dark 1 and 2 yesterday on clear vinyl.  spotify streaming did these albums zero justice and i'm stoked to blast this shit on high quality.

Wow, sounds like a great friend to have around!

stevewizzle wrote:
i only have one home-schooled friend. he plays in one of those awful folk bands, plays one of the yeehaw instruments, wears dumb hats, and in conversation, sounds pretentious at every moment they are provided the opportunity.  don't home school.

James wrote:
Wow, sounds like a great friend to have around!

stevewizzle wrote:
i only have one home-schooled friend. he plays in one of those awful folk bands, plays one of the yeehaw instruments, wears dumb hats, and in conversation, sounds pretentious at every moment they are provided the opportunity.  don't home school.

he's up there with the best of em.

Hexenjagd wrote:
I recommend all Of their albums, and also their releases from when they were known as Art Lords and the Self Portraits.

The members are also in these groups: the snails, peals, archer twins, moss of aura (garret solo) and hemlock Ernst (Sam solo rapping).

peals never did it for me… although from seeing the reaction of many on this forum (okay, azag), it seems like there is something more to their live show? and the art lord and the self portraits sound nothing like them! what gives?

i'll work through the rest of these, thanks.

http://www.ehserecords.com/ss001/
Archer Twins is William plus Stuart (who runs Ehse Records).  Sadly I skipped the one show I saw advertised a few years back, and I don't know if they played any other shows.

I don't know why Art Lord sounds different, I suppose they just matured their sound over time.  The first two Future Islands albums (Little Advances/wave like home) sound a lot different than their newer ones (In Evening Air/On the Water/Singles (heard all of these songs last year when they played them in an epic 90 minute set)).  I prefer the newer sound but the older songs like Beach Foam are sweet too.

stevewizzle wrote:
i only have one home-schooled friend. he plays in one of those awful folk bands, plays one of the yeehaw instruments, wears dumb hats, and in conversation, sounds pretentious at every moment they are provided the opportunity.  don't home school.

n=1 isn't very convincing.