On the Eve of the new Season...

Frank wrote:
Hey Hutch, you should change your user name to Bitch, as in Tevez's Bitch!

Why all the love for such a better than average player? What you seem to forget is at all his teams other than Old Trafford he was probably the best player, at OT he just became a squad player because of the pool of talent available, and his ego couldn't take it. It has nothing to do with respect but more to do with him being a typical south americans whiney arsed prima donna cry baby. He deserves all the silverware he won't be winning at middle eastlands.

If I was maradonna I wouldn't have scored a goal with my hand.

but would you have ran through seven England players and scored the nail in the coffin 2-0?

England fans always seem to focus on the first goal but forget the second…or the entire rest of the match! I guess its just too painful.  Watch the game over again and its pretty clear that the only time England did any attacking was when Argentina let it (when it was up 2-0)… ANd if anyone deserves blame for that first goal its the referee.

Talk about whiney arsed! STill obsessed with the hand of god goal more than 20 years later!

Somehow I think its England's footballing mediocrity more than any "hand of god" that has kept it from winning a World Cup in over 40 years…Maybe when you host again you'll have a chance. 1986 was Argentina's World Cup no ifs ands or buts…. the only times any teams did any damage- with the one exception of Uruguay (sort of like playing itself for Argentina)- was when Argentina let them (when up against Germany 2-0, England 2-0, etc.).

Tevez' record speaks for itself: championship after championship. Ferguson's choice to play Park over Tevez was his choice. I don't know many managers who would have done the same and the bottom line is with Park and over the hill Giggs (he hardly touched the ball the entire match!) in the starting lineup against Barcelona ManU got spanked by.. yes… another "ugly Argie"……

changing the subject, do you man u guys think fergie is done spending for the summer?

The biggest problem with Tevez, and what really kept him from resigning with United, is his unhealthy relationship with Kia Joorabchian.  Have you ever wondered why he's played for so many teams in his short career? As great as you think he is Hutch, I agree with SAF and David Gill that Tevez was not worth the money they were asking, especially not with the contractual ties to his agent "owning" his rights.  I agree with others here - he will regret moving to City.

In regards to your inquiry, shoeshine, I think they are done spending this summer, but maybe there's a January move in the pipeline if this season doesn't start like they want it to.

Lastly, and this one's for you, my friend Barcelona…A good friend and drinking buddy of mine is head of Parks here in SF.  He called me this morning to invite me to Barca's practice tomorrow here in SF.  His last question was…

"You have a pair of cleats, right?" 
"Of course," I replied.
"OK - I'll get back to you."

I haven't stopped smiling yet.

vansmack wrote:
The biggest problem with Tevez, and what really kept him from resigning with United, is his unhealthy relationship with Kia Joorabchian.  Have you ever wondered why he's played for so many teams in his short career? As great as you think he is Hutch, I agree with SAF and David Gill that Tevez was not worth the money they were asking, especially not with the contractual ties to his agent "owning" his rights.  I agree with others here - he will regret moving to City.

right man u paying (say) corinithians or wet spam £25m would be ok, but paying some dude that much is weird and would not sit well with a top team like man u. i disagree that he'll regret it, though. if for no other reason than he's out from under that terrible relationship, and really shitty were the only team with the scratch and desperation to go down that road

as far as man u go, i'd be a little concerned if i was a fan. the squad seems a little injury prone and less deep than in past seasons. for you fans sake i hope i'm wrong though. luckily i refuse to root for any team that you-know-who plays for…

vansmack wrote:
The biggest problem with Tevez, and what really kept him from resigning with United, is his unhealthy relationship with Kia Joorabchian.  As great as you think he is Hutch, I agree with SAF and David Gill that Tevez was not worth the money they were asking, especially not with the contractual ties to his agent "owning" his rights.  I agree with others here - he will regret moving to City.

I agree about the problem of his relationship with Kia although I think people don't realize that for South American soccer players its become more common to have your "pass" or "rights" owned by an "agent" or whatever instead of a club so get used to it!…The clubs down there are all bankrupt cesspools of corruption and these "agents" or gamblers/goldiggers (these are never model citizens!) basically invest in young players place them in the bigger local clubs and then move them along to Europe…The problem has a lot to do with the slave labour system of international soccer.. there is no free agency.. Eduardo Galeano has written a great book covering a lot of this by the way although I'm not sure its been translated to english..

I think it remains to be seen what happens with Tevez at CIty… keep in mind when he left Boca to go to COrinthians everyone said it was a huge mistake ("An argentine can never make it in Brazil") and a few months later -after a tough start- the President of Brazil Lula was asking to meet with him and have his picture taken with him! Then when he went to WestHam everyone said it was a disaster but he singlehandedly saved the team from relegation.. And Tevez doesn't miss penalty kicks in a Champions League final.

If anyone can make it happen at City its Tevez.. on other hand- as I wrote earlier- he may be on the downslope of his career.. not sure he has enough left in the tank..

I honestly find it hard to understand why ManU people would hate on Tevez because anyone who watched him play saw firsthand his desire and the fact that he left it all on the pitch.

The more interesting question for me is who is telling the truth here? Ferguson or Tevez? I have admired both of them but one of them is a downright liar. Based on the facts available to me I really find it hard to believe its Tevez…

Hopefully its ok to post this here on a thread about soccer…

Anyways the big news in Argentine newspapers is that ManU is going to make a play for another "ugly Argie" Aguero from Atletico de Madrid….not sure how credible this is…

Aguero definititely has some skills to pay the bills…

done? he barely started!!

I think he might have a surprise up his sleeve - just a hunch

godsshoeshine wrote:
changing the subject, do you man u guys think fergie is done spending for the summer?

and Kun Aguero has a son with Maradona's daughter!

hutch wrote:And Tevez doesn't miss penalty kicks in a Champions League final.

Great, but he'll never play in a Champions League game, let alone a Final so long as he's at City.  

I don't know why you're so surprised that United supporters are upset at Tevez - he wasn't exactly gracious in his departure. 

vansmack wrote:

hutch wrote:And Tevez doesn't miss penalty kicks in a Champions League final.

Great, but he'll never play in a Champions League game, let alone a Final so long as he's at City.  

I don't know why you're so surprised that United supporters are upset at Tevez - he wasn't exactly gracious in his departure. 

I actually dont' think United supporters are upset at Tevez.. they're upset at Ferguson…. They wanted Tevez to stay and made that very clear on ample opportunities.. This is why Ferguson made up that he tried to call Tevez to get him to stay etc etc…..

Its the ManU supporters on this thread who seem upset..

Honestly people don't seem very informed on this over here..

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godsshoeshine wrote:
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Now THATs what I call a contribution! Thank you!

hutch wrote:
I actually dont' think United supporters are upset at Tevez.. they're upset at Ferguson…. They wanted Tevez to stay and made that very clear on ample opportunities.. This is why Ferguson made up that he tried to call Tevez to get him to stay etc etc…..

You seem to forget that United made a quality offer that Kia and Carlos rejected, and I don't know of a single United supporter who agreed with Kia and Carlos' counteroffer that insisted that Tevez be the highest paid player at Old Trafford.

They were upset with Fergie during the season for not getting the deal done, sure, but when Fergie came out and said we're having a tough time dealing with Kia because he's insisting that Tevez be the highest paid player at Old Trafford, there was absolutely no outrage from the fans directed at Fergie.

You don't pay a third choice striker top wages.  It's a simple business decision that most folks agree with.  I don't know how you've forgotten about what happened in June and July, but you really do seem to remember April and May pretty well.  Did the Argentine papers go on strike for two months?

Bottome line, you want to be the highest paid striker - then go to a team where you will be the first choice striker, and that's why he's at City and not OT.  It's not because United didn't want to resign him… 

Now I'm hearing Kun Aguero perhaps to Chelsea…

Maybe its all just rumours….

vansmack wrote:

hutch wrote:
I actually dont' think United supporters are upset at Tevez.. they're upset at Ferguson…. They wanted Tevez to stay and made that very clear on ample opportunities.. This is why Ferguson made up that he tried to call Tevez to get him to stay etc etc…..

You seem to forget that United made a quality offer that Kia and Carlos rejected, and I don't know of a single United supporter who agreed with Kia and Carlos' counteroffer that insisted that Tevez be the highest paid player at Old Trafford.

They were upset with Fergie during the season for not getting the deal done, sure, but when Fergie came out and said we're having a tough time dealing with Kia because he's insisting that Tevez be the highest paid player at Old Trafford, there was absolutely no outrage from the fans directed at Fergie.

You don't pay a third choice striker top wages.  It's a simple business decision that most folks agree with.  I don't know how you've forgotten about what happened in June and July, but you really do seem to remember April and May pretty well.  Did the Argentine papers go on strike for two months?

Bottome line, you want to be the highest paid striker - then go to a team where you will be the first choice striker, and that's why he's at City and not OT.  It's not because United didn't want to resign him… 

Well perhaps you're right…

I don't remember the exact timing.. I don't know that ManU fans weren't trying to have Tevez re-sign in June..

My feeling is that the ManU fans generally wanted Tevez back and Fergie made up a bunch of baloney to justify not signing him including that he'd tried, that they'd made this offer or that, that he was asking for the most money; my feeling is this is all baloney.. Then again its just a feeling.. I have as much evidence as you do for your assertions which really read like ManU PR more than what happened.

But maybe not.. I suppose if the money he got from City is more than ManU pays any of their players then you'd be right!

Anyways I'm going to stop talking about this.. I do look forward to Tevez shutting all of you up but we'll have to see if he can do it!

who cares, all the blame it the world isnt going to bring tevez back, and if you support man u, i would hope you'd take sir alex over anyone

i like tevez more than i like teams that employ he-who-must-not-be-named

which reminds me, have i brought up my spencer pratt theory of football watching?

I could list the newspapers that reported that Tevez insisted that he be the highest paid player at OT, but you could simply google it.  It's clear that your love of Tevez is beyond reproach.

And yes, I believe the United Press release that stated:

"Following contact received from Carlos Tevez's advisors last night, in advance of the deadline the Club set for concluding negotiations, Manchester United announces that Carlos will not be signing a new contract with the Club.

"The Club agreed to pay the option price of 25.5 million pounds and offered Carlos a five-year contract which would have made him one of its highest paid players.

"Disappointingly however, his advisors informed the Club that, despite the success he has enjoyed during one of the Club's most successful periods, he does not wish to continue playing for Manchester United.

"The Club would like to thank Carlos for his services over the last two seasons and wishes him good luck for the future."

I have no reason not to.  And Tevez hasn't denied it either.  He simply said that if United really wanted to sign him the could have come up with the money.  No, actually, Carlos, there was no need.  That's not the OT way.

I actually wouldn't put Tevez in my Argentina starting lineup so my love for him doesn't trump everything.

I am a Boca Juniors man through and through though…

hutch wrote:
But maybe not.. I suppose if the money he got from City is more than ManU pays any of their players then you'd be right!

It's fucking amazing to me that you don't know any of this stuff yet you keep spouting off as if we're the one's that don't know what we're talking about.

Tevez makes £140,000 a week at City.

United offered him £95,000, but he insisted he make what United's highest paid players make.  That would be Rio and Berbatov who make £110000.

So please, shut the hell up.  You couldn't be more annoying now.