On the Eve of the new Season...

Actually, Van Persie was facing the assistant referee when he got the ball. It was a stupid yellow card, but a yellow card, did he forget he had already a yellow card? Whether the main referee could have avoided it? Debatable, I think Van Persie was out of his mind in the first half and with 1-1 he delibertely went to lose time knowing the flag was up. Not a bright decision from Van Persie.

By the way, there was a penalty and an (unfarily) disallowed goal for Barcelona in the first game and I believe a penalty today in the first half. Guardiola did not complain after the first game, what Wenger did today is not good, Arsenal never shot to the goal today, to say that with Van Persie they would have won the game, sad comment, mourinho-style.

Intersting story about the game with the argentineans.
Hi there Barcelona - Haven't seen you in this neighbourhood for a while. I think the Champions League is Barcas to lose at this point. There's no other team in the world right now that can come close to them in my opinion.

Getting back to the red….just what I suspected. RVP must've seen the flag up as he was facing the AR, plus he put no real effort into the 'shot on goal'. His body language after the fact is an admission of guilt. A tough yellow but a yellow offense nonetheless. If it was his first yellow then we wouldn't be having this discussion, but should he get away with it just because it's his second yellow card offense???
yes he should

ref could have easily given him a lecture and added an extra minute on. then its a nonstory


*quote*
The referee is in charge. It is his responsibility to ensure that the game is played within the rules and without diminishing the competitiveness of the contest, i.e. that game is allowed to flow whenever possible. He should be fully aware of the rules of the game and be able to apply them wherever and whenever necessary.
*unquote*


RVP stopped the game from flowing by kicking the ball away after a stoppage in play. The player is responsible for the yellow card, not the official.



unfortunately due to people like Gallagher thinking that you have to enforce to the letter of the law you get these sort of ridiculous decisions that make the referee the center of the game and not the game itself…


what they don't ever seem to realize is that the referee has DISCRETION.

this ref did no one any favors


by the way: thanks for your gratuitous Argentina bashing you lemming.. you should never paint everyone with the same brushstroke or don't you know?

Henry is a "class act" though he is a diver emeritus or watch Spain-France 2006 where he dove outside the box, got France the free kick and they went on to win.. or watch his multiple handballs against Ireland in WC qualifying.. but Argentina, no man they are all cheaters and divers..


de jong breaks ben arfa's leg and its not even a free kick, yet maybe not hearing the whistle its an automatic yellow? no way. time wasting is the easiest foul to correct without a card
Notice that the two people who think it was a good call are (1) named Barcelona and (2) someone who never saw the play.

Any neutral observer knows it was a horrible decision and I have yet to see any neutral observer who's seen it argue otherwise.

Either way, Barcelona were the MUCH better squad and deserved to go through. 
I've seen the play numerous times actually… ever heard of a cool little website called 'yootoob' or something like that? You should check it out sometime smackie.

Hutch…get over yourself. The whole world knows that the south american game is full of 'gamesmanship' (aka cheating) it's not just Argentina. I would say Brasil are bigger culprits than Argentina, and if it's one team that doesn't need to cheat to win….it's Brasil.

Nobody knows what was said between the official and the players and that's what you lot don't seem to understand that's all I'm trying to say. How do we know he hadn't already warned them the the next time-wasting antic will result in a card? RVP committed the offense, not the official.

I'm over this already…. I'll never agree that it was a 'horrible' decision and Hutch will never admit that Argentina are a bunch of diving, clock killing when they're up a goal, cheaters…  :-*

It was harsh, and I've already said that, but it was still RVP's fault.
just found out Fios is unblocking Fox Soccer this weekend… gonna have to see if anything good is on.


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what an awful weekend for a free preview. good news that the plus is available though, even if its not in hd
godsshoeshine wrote:
what an awful weekend for a free preview.

probably explains why they chose this weekend.

for a casual fan like myself there are a few decent choices, mostly replays: 'pool/ManU, ManU/arse, Man city/reading, some Serie A like roma/lazio… could be worse.
haha and of course the first match of the weekend was awesome. of course i'm now watching hanover/bayren at 10 on a saturday
A great weekend for manc…….

Saturday I got to enjoy Man Utd beat Arse (lousy couple of weeks for them eh? Bounced out of League cup, Champs league and now FA cup)

Sunday got to watch live England v Scotland in the 6 nations.
Remember where you heard it first……rugby is about to grow enormously in the USA. I think it's been a college sport long enough to have fans of all ages now, and it seems little rugby clubs are popping up everywhere.
rugby does have more of a buzz recently. helps to have the six nations on a channel more people get versus setanta. i havent watched any of it though. apparently ireland have been shite
*Evidently Ireland cheated to beat Wales on Sat….. England were 'supposed' to crush Scotland but that didn't happen either. They won, but it was much closer than everyone expected.

The big surprise was Italy beat France. Italy are still in rugby infancy so it was a huge win for them.

*When the ball goes for a line-out (throw-in) you can take a quick restart but must use the same ball that went out of play. Ireland did a quick restart with a different ball. That restart resulted in the winning try.
Frank wrote:
A great weekend for manc…….

Saturday I got to enjoy Man Utd beat Arse (lousy couple of weeks for them eh? Bounced out of League cup, Champs league and now FA cup)


Incredibly deflating loss on Saturday to add to the misery.  You have to think that when Wenger saw the Twins and O'Shea in the midfield that his chances of advancing were good….

Now he's been bounced from three Cup Tourney's and lost another central defender, this time maybe for the season.

Frank wrote:Remember where you heard it first……rugby is about to grow enormously in the USA.


You mean in last month's Economist?

Rugby in America
Worth a try
More and more Americans are being converted to the sport
Feb 3rd 2011 | SAN FRANCISCO | from the print edition


THIS weekend tens of millions of eyes will be glued to television screens as the Pittsburgh Steelers meet the Green Bay Packers in the Super Bowl, which takes place in Arlington, Texas on February 6th. American aficionados of rugby union can only dream of the Croesian sums of money that are lavished on American football, a sport that vaguely resembles rugby in wimpish armour-plating. But although their resources are far more modest they have achieved some notable successes.

One of them has been to get young Americans engaged with the game. Last year almost 360,000 children played a non-contact form of the sport at school, according to USA Rugby, the sport?s national governing body. That has helped raise rugby?s profile: a study by America?s Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association (SGMA) found that between 2007 and 2009 (the latest year for which data is available), it was the fastest-growing team sport in the country, outpacing rivals such as lacrosse and hockey. In 2009, says the SGMA, some 750,000 Americans played rugby, over 20% more than in 2007. ?For the sport to be on our radar screen is a sign it?s got some legs,? says Mike May, an executive at the association.

To bolster the game?s appeal, USA Rugby is launching a college premier league next month that will see teams compete in four regional ?conferences?, with the top two from each conference heading to playoffs in May. The league?s promoters hope it will act as a magnet for high-school players, as well as introducing rugby to more students. ?This represents an enormously powerful opportunity to promote rugby,? says Bill Campbell, an enthusiastic supporter of the game who happens to be chairman of Intuit, a technology giant.

The sport in America also stands to gain from the fact that a seven-a-side version of rugby (as opposed to the standard 15-a-side contest) will be included in the 2016 and perhaps the 2020 Olympic games. The last time rugby featured in the Olympics, back in 1924, America won the gold medal. Although a repeat performance is unlikely in five years? time in Rio de Janeiro, the prospect of representing the USA Eagles, as the national team is known, should attract more athletes to the game. Some impressive players already compete in an annual super league competition, which includes teams from some of America?s 2,400-odd rugby clubs.

The notion of Olympic rugby has certainly piqued the interest of television executives. Long the preserve of cable channels, rugby is about to appear on network TV. NBC has acquired the rights to show games from this year?s rugby World Cup and the next one in 2015. And it is planning to broadcast other matches too, including some from an international rugby sevens tournament taking place in Las Vegas later this month.

Those responsible for promoting rugby in America are confident that when more people see it, they will love it. ?Americans like combat sports and good athletes,? says Nigel Melville, the head of USA Rugby. True. Yet they also have a penchant for sports that promote superstars and breed controversy, both on and off the field. With its emphasis on teamwork and fair play, rugby doesn?t quite fit that mould.
You got your countries mixed up - Ireland lost….

Frank wrote:
*Evidently Ireland cheated to beat Wales on Sat….. England were 'supposed' to crush Scotland but that didn't happen either. They won, but it was much closer than everyone expected.

The big surprise was Italy beat France. Italy are still in rugby infancy so it was a huge win for them.

*When the ball goes for a line-out (throw-in) you can take a quick restart but must use the same ball that went out of play. Ireland did a quick restart with a different ball. That restart resulted in the winning try.
brennser wrote:
You got your countries mixed up - Ireland lost….

Frank wrote:
*Evidently Ireland cheated to beat Wales on Sat….. England were 'supposed' to crush Scotland but that didn't happen either. They won, but it was much closer than everyone expected.

The big surprise was Italy beat France. Italy are still in rugby infancy so it was a huge win for them.

*When the ball goes for a line-out (throw-in) you can take a quick restart but must use the same ball that went out of play. Ireland did a quick restart with a different ball. That restart resulted in the winning try.



You didn't watch the Eng/Sco game on BBC America by chance?? They said Ireland won from the dodgy lineout…..I saw the try from the corner of my eye and thought it was a 'red' player crossing the line but just assumed I hadn't seen it right…..how can commentators get it so wrong? Then again, if you saw the pre-game it makes sense. The panel were terrible.

Poor Irish - first Henry and now this. Whatever happened to "the luck of….."