On the Eve of the new Season...

vansmack wrote:

hutch wrote:
yeah..tevez is a drag these days.. i agree..

These days?!  THESE DAYS!!!??

well for me all that matters is the national team (ARGENTINA) and for the WC 2010 and COpa America both times he pressured and lobbied until he got called, then lobbied some more and srated,.. the team then had to change its approach and it did not help.. I'm not going to blame Tevez but I just wish the coaches would go with their gut instinct…

hutch wrote:
I just wish the coaches would go with their gut instinct…

Like Sir Alex did….

vansmack wrote:

hutch wrote:
I just wish the coaches would go with their gut instinct…

Like Sir Alex did….

I do know Argentina can't start Messi and Tevez at the same time…. With Man U it was more of changing one player for another.. The problem with Man U as far as I know was that Tevez wanted more money not that Ferguson (Sir? really?) didn't want him.

Are we really going to go there again? Tevez played well for Man U and played very well for City. He is a very good player for a premier league team but on the Argentine side there isn't any space for him.

Hutch - I don't think anybody is questioning Tevez's skill, just his behaviour off the field.

SAF simply got sick of his bullshit. Every player is replaceable. (except maybe Scholes) Tevez is not the first or last who will get the Fergie-FUCK OFF! Stam, RVN, Beckham and Ronaldo to a lesser extent got the same treatment. All better than Tevez imo.For Tevez to go and play for the noisey neighbours (City) is proof of his lack of character. You just don't do that in English football. (I can't speak for other leagues) Even when Rooney was having his little tantrum, City offered him ungodly amounts of money but it was never going to happen.

Before anyone brings up Owen….Liverpool didn't want him back, it had been years since he played for them, the player needed a job and the only offer came from United.

Please, Juergen?!  Pretty please?  All you have to do is teach Americans the concept of "possession" and you will see dramatic improvements at the international level.

vansmack wrote:
Please, Juergen?!  Pretty please?  All you have to do is teach Americans the concept of "possession" and you will see dramatic improvements at the international level.

I don't get the Juergen hype… he hardly has any coaching experience.. and i always understood that Loew was the one that decided things…

hutch wrote:
I don't get the Juergen hype… he hardly has any coaching experience.. and i always understood that Loew was the one that decided things…

Agreed. Juergen was the teacher, Loew was the tactician.

However, US Soccer needs to be taught before they can focus on tactics.  (Plus I don't think Loew would leave the German squad for the US Squad… ;-) )

Knowing US Soccer though, it's Sigi Schmid's turn to keep us in mediocracy instead of wholesale changes in our approach to the game.

right klinsman sucks because he picks good assistants. makes sense

godsshoeshine wrote:
right klinsman sucks because he picks good assistants. makes sense

ha ha..


I didn't say he sucks but how much experience does he have? How many years of coaching does he have? 4?


Moreover, if his knowledge of "tactics" is so poor that he relies on an assistant for that- well- I'd like the manager to know both tactics and teaching


when you don't know tactics you do things like Maradona where he played against Germany with a midfield of 3 or arguably 2.. Germany 4- argentina 0

tactics are important.. when Mexico is destroying the US and its because Bornstein is useless and slow..well it would have helped to have someone coaching the team who understood that

moreover, in today's int soccer i would argue that a good coach- with the right tactics or strategy- can get the right result even with lesser players

I do not think Klinsmann coaching Bayern Munich- Germany's best team- and the German national team , in GERMANY, to the semis is that great a track record..

Yes, he's a former great player.. that is true but the US can do better.

i agree bradley and maradona are worse than klinsman at picking assistants

godsshoeshine wrote:
i agree bradley and maradona are worse than klinsman at picking assistants

Well, if thats all you got my friend I'll just leave it at that..

You have to make a better case for Klinsmann than "He's good at picking assistants.."
A point which by the way is not substantiated: He was good at picking Loew.. Thats about all we know.. Loew is not available in case you were not aware.

This is the US National Soccer Team not  Boca Juniors Potomac.

i just don't see how you dismiss a world cup by saying 'oh it was just his assistant, look at these other guys that supposedly dont know tactics'

godsshoeshine wrote:
i just don't see how you dismiss a world cup by saying 'oh it was just his assistant, look at these other guys that supposedly dont know tactics'

Huh? Semis in Germany for Germany is not a great result.

So you're saying the US should pick Klinsmann over guys like Hiddink or Avocaat because of one WC? And the reason I dismiss Klinsmann is because it was so evident on the sideline that Loew was the one making the decisions. How can I not dismiss that?


(I realize neither Hiddink or Avocaat may be available)


I'm now sure we are communicating well.. I'm not saying Klinsmann is like Maradona or Bradley.. he is WAY better than Diego and better than Bradley.. I just think we can do better.


Heck Gerardo Martino of Paraguay I have no doubt is a way better coach than Klinsmann… Call him up .. he is available TONIGHT.. tomorrow he will say whether he reups with Paraguay…

There are plenty of proven coaches…heck make a run at Markarian and see if you can pry him from Peru…

THe focus on Klinsmann I think has more to do with his connections with the US media than anything else.. its not based on a proven track record of coaching success.

you're kidding about hiddink and avocaat right? it's the usa not england. someone from mls is the alternative here. maybe sven

godsshoeshine wrote:
you're kidding about hiddink and avocaat right? it's the usa not england. someone from mls is the alternative here. maybe sven

Wow, first of all I added to my post above.. but it must be you that is kidding.. Hiddink is currently coaching Turkey and has coached plenty of countries with less pedigree than the US.. same for Avocaat..Sounds to me like you think the US shouldn't aspire to a great coach.. show them the money and they will come.. its actually an attractive job.


Sven? who would want him? A complete and utter failure.. what we want is a guy with proven national team experience at the World CUp level and preferably not with major powers… someone who has coached say a team like Paraguay to make a good run.. Another guy who is great is the guy who coaches Costa Rica and used to coach Mexico.. THAT guy is a MANAGER (ADD: LAVOLPE)


By the way the more I think about it the more I like the idea of a Latin American..

no one would want sven, that's the point

neither gus nor dick are going to leave their jobs in the middle of euro qualifying to manage a concacaf team 3 years from a world cup

godsshoeshine wrote:
no one would want sven, that's the point

neither gus nor dick are going to leave their jobs in the middle of euro qualifying to manage a concacaf team 3 years from a world cup

plenty of other coaches I would rate higher than Klinsmann based on their track record/experience.


Again, you simply haven't made any argument for why Juergen is the right guy for the job.. Why? Because the guy on Yahoo sports keeps talking about him?

Ultimately I'm not saying the US should do anything different than Argentina in finding a new coach.. call five people to come in for an interview. ask them some questions and then make a decision.. pay what you have to pay to get the right guy..

I hope the USSF does the right thing and doesn't simply pick Klinsmann without talking to others…

I know Argentina will do the wrong thing and pick Sabella when you have guys like Bianchi, Ramon Diaz, Gallego with far more experience.

In a way Sabella reminds me of Klinsmann.. he has like two years of experience as manager and did win the Libertadores.. not enough.

anyways, we'll see what happens but still haven't seen any compelling reason for why Klinsmann is the guy.

I looked into Klinsmann's coaching track record to see if maybe I was missing something..


NO. I was not. He has coached LESS than three years!

A grand total of a measly 79 games including dozens of meaningless friendlies !


I'm sorry.. its just not very much.

don't get me wrong, klinsman isn't perfect. i was merely focusing on your point about loew

if the us can get someone better, i'm all for it

i can't think of anyone available and willing to come here, though

i'd love hiddink, but i just feel like the alternative to klinsman is something in the sigi schmid or dominick kinnear range

I don't know enough about the US national team so can't comment on the finer details. What I will say, and no disrespect to Americans, is they need a European manager but not Italian. The players are beginning to play the attacking European style rather than than the 'defense!! defense!! defense!!' style of years past. The talent pool is excellent now so the last piece of the puzzle is a manager to work with their skills.

If you look at the succesful teams, even at club level, they all play the style to suit the players, not coach the players to suit the style the manager wants. (Rednapp, Mourinho, Daglish, SAF etc.)


I'd say a German, Scottish or Dutch boss. The pool of English bosses right now is pretty much dried up for now.