hutch wrote:I never understood this thinking. Who cares? Its like all the people who won't go see "Smashing Pumpkins" because its just Billy or just Billy and Jimmy. They're not deceiving you on the lineup. You're seeing the principal songwriter/musician play his classic songs. If you like those songs, I don't understand refusing to go because its a different bass player. Would it be more palatable if the ticket said "Billy Corgan plays the Smashing Pumpkins' Greatest Hits" or "Malkmus covers Pavement songs"? I feel like with the internet giving us ever more information about who is in bands, what they're playing on tour, etc, this argument of "its not the real band" is wearing painfully thin. Just say "I don't like Smashing Pumpkins/Pavement" instead of creating this hysterical strawman about integrity of band lineups.
"wait a minute,its a malkmus solo show alll but in name only!"
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Julian, wrote:hutch wrote:I never understood this thinking. Who cares? Its like all the people who won't go see "Smashing Pumpkins" because its just Billy or just Billy and Jimmy. They're not deceiving you on the lineup. You're seeing the principal songwriter/musician play his classic songs. If you like those songs, I don't understand refusing to go because its a different bass player. Would it be more palatable if the ticket said "Billy Corgan plays the Smashing Pumpkins' Greatest Hits" or "Malkmus covers Pavement songs"? I feel like with the internet giving us ever more information about who is in bands, what they're playing on tour, etc, this argument of "its not the real band" is wearing painfully thin. Just say "I don't like Smashing Pumpkins/Pavement" instead of creating this hysterical strawman about integrity of band lineups.
"wait a minute,its a malkmus solo show alll but in name only!"
I didn't say its not the real band!
I'd still go see "Pavement" but there is a reason Pavement ended and its that Malkmus got tired of the charade/carrying the rest of the band.
hutch wrote:Admittedly, I went on a slight tangent.
I didn't say its not the real band!
I agree that a "new" Pavement record would sound wildly similar to the Malkmus + Jicks solo records (which, other than the first one, I personally did not care for).
Yada wrote:atomic wrote:Yada wrote:atomic wrote:Julian, wrote:Yada wrote:This.
I'm all for a Pavement reunion.
I think it's weird having went to both the NMH and Pavement reunion tours (who are similar in that they're both bands primarily from the 90's who waited a decade plus to finally give in and reunite). I left Pavement's show going "I would go see that band every year if they reformed permanently," and I left NMH going, "I really have no interest in seeing them again." On pure "how good was the set," they were probably even or maybe NHM was a bit more technically proficient, but I just wouldn't go see NMH again if I had the chance (unless it was free or something) whereas I'd go see Pavement every summer like some people do Pearl Jam.
Funny when I saw Pavement I left halfway through as they were so boring. Neutral Milk Hotel still sounds exciting and fresh. Are you another guy on here stuck in the past?
Every time Pavement is brought up on this here board, you make the same post.
Exciting and fresh?? LOL.
I wouldn't have commented on Pavement as they are another boring has-been band but you somehow decided to insult Rock Gods Neutral Milk Hotel. But I suggest they do come up with another album. They might make something interesting. Anyway Malkmus' solo work is awful. I have no idea why anyone would attend his shows.
I wonder why people on here like has-been bands so much. It is quite a mystery.
You're touting a band that hasn't released an album since 1998 as exciting and fresh… on top of that freshness, what else has Jeff Magnum contributed to? A few random albums throughout the 00's?
I do love this cover but yeah, I agree on the whole. NMH is an only-need-to-see-once band until they put out new material (probably never) and Pavement would be fun to see once per year.
Julian, wrote:hutch wrote:I never understood this thinking. Who cares? Its like all the people who won't go see "Smashing Pumpkins" because its just Billy or just Billy and Jimmy. They're not deceiving you on the lineup. You're seeing the principal songwriter/musician play his classic songs. If you like those songs, I don't understand refusing to go because its a different bass player. Would it be more palatable if the ticket said "Billy Corgan plays the Smashing Pumpkins' Greatest Hits" or "Malkmus covers Pavement songs"? I feel like with the internet giving us ever more information about who is in bands, what they're playing on tour, etc, this argument of "its not the real band" is wearing painfully thin. Just say "I don't like Smashing Pumpkins/Pavement" instead of creating this hysterical strawman about integrity of band lineups.
"wait a minute,its a malkmus solo show alll but in name only!"
Well if they did say it was Billy Corgan playing Smashing Pumpkins it would be at a small club instead of an arena. So there is a difference and most of the fans of bands like the Smashing Pumpkins don't look up such things on the Internet.
I would like to see Pavement do a full set, and not the 60 minutes 3pm set they played in 2010 :/ So certainly for some of us, new reunion shows would make sense; they have not covered all cities.
Anyway I was at the Malkmus show last friday. Last time I could see him was his first 2001 tour I think. 13 years later I think it was quite similar, and at least this time he didn't have only 1 album worth of songs. Like the first reviewer said, it was a bit awkward because they didn't seem to care much, but the music was fine.
Anyway I was at the Malkmus show last friday. Last time I could see him was his first 2001 tour I think. 13 years later I think it was quite similar, and at least this time he didn't have only 1 album worth of songs. Like the first reviewer said, it was a bit awkward because they didn't seem to care much, but the music was fine.
Julian, wrote:hutch wrote:Admittedly, I went on a slight tangent.
I didn't say its not the real band!
I agree that a "new" Pavement record would sound wildly similar to the Malkmus + Jicks solo records (which, other than the first one, I personally did not care for).
I'm surprised you did not like pig lib particularly with the bonus ep cd…
i always found pavement's stuff took time to really sink in (wowee zowee anyone?) and with malkmus its the same but people by and large don't seem to give it the time… not saying you.
obviously malkmus has not recorded anythingn as immediate as crooked rain
Julian, wrote:hutch wrote:Admittedly, I went on a slight tangent.
I didn't say its not the real band!
I agree that a "new" Pavement record would sound wildly similar to the Malkmus + Jicks solo records (which, other than the first one, I personally did not care for).
How does a Malkmus/Pavement fan not like Pig Lib?
cinnamon and lesbians, sounds so much some other song, like the center musical verse of the thing was directly ripped off . . . but for the life of me, i cannot figure out from which one.
Yada wrote:It's not bad, but its not great, IMHO either. I haven't listened to it in a very, very long time and have no plans to ever do so again. (Although if everyone on here is hype over it, maybe I will give it another chance.) I'm not saying it's Travistan or anything tho.
How does a Malkmus/Pavement fan not like Pig Lib?
walkonby wrote:
cinnamon and lesbians, sounds so much some other song, like the center musical verse of the thing was directly ripped off . . . but for the life of me, i cannot figure out from which one.
You're joking, right brah?
Julian, wrote:Yada wrote:It's not bad, but its not great, IMHO either. I haven't listened to it in a very, very long time and have no plans to ever do so again. (Although if everyone on here is hype over it, maybe I will give it another chance.) I'm not saying it's Travistan or anything tho.
How does a Malkmus/Pavement fan not like Pig Lib?
Admittedly, huge fan of anything he puts out but yeah… that's a perfect album. Along with Real Emotional Trash.
Yada wrote:walkonby wrote:
cinnamon and lesbians, sounds so much some other song, like the center musical verse of the thing was directly ripped off . . . but for the life of me, i cannot figure out from which one.
You're joking, right brah?
from the first time i heard it . . . the tip of my tongue tingled with the testaments of this thing sounding like something else.
walkonby wrote:Yada wrote:walkonby wrote:
cinnamon and lesbians, sounds so much some other song, like the center musical verse of the thing was directly ripped off . . . but for the life of me, i cannot figure out from which one.
You're joking, right brah?
from the first time i heard it . . . the tip of my tongue tingled with the testaments of this thing sounding like something else.
I'm going to bite, St. Stephen… but I think you knew that.
HOLY CRAP!
I think the problem with Malkmus at this point is that he?s having too much of a good time, if that makes any sense. And the persona he?s adopted and what he?s known for ? topical banter, interesting and always-different covers ? lends itself to mediocre shows. The music is secondary to the Malkmus. It?s all very loose and fun but hard to argue all that great. Did we really need a C+ version of ?Beginning to See the Light? and a failed attempt at some ancient Fleetwood Mac song? Probably not, but he likes to jam out with his buddies. I think Pavement came by its disheveled reputation more honestly and then, in fact, wasn?t all that disheveled by the end. Friday?s show was fine but left zero impression and was forgotten by the next day. (Sold-out, late-starting Friday show with a casual band on stage also isn't the great concert environment.) Malkmus?s solo catalogue is, in fact, really excellent and I?d like to see him and the band play it straight for a tour and pick the best songs and just rip through ?em, even if it means skipping the covers or even switching up the set lists all that much from show to show.
BookerT wrote:
I think the problem with Malkmus at this point is that he?s having too much of a good time, if that makes any sense. And the persona he?s adopted and what he?s known for ? topical banter, interesting and always-different covers ? lends itself to mediocre shows. The music is secondary to the Malkmus. It?s all very loose and fun but hard to argue all that great. Did we really need a C+ version of ?Beginning to See the Light? and a failed attempt at some ancient Fleetwood Mac song? Probably not, but he likes to jam out with his buddies. I think Pavement came by its disheveled reputation more honestly and then, in fact, wasn?t all that disheveled by the end. Friday?s show was fine but left zero impression and was forgotten by the next day. (Sold-out, late-starting Friday show with a casual band on stage also isn't the great concert environment.) Malkmus?s solo catalogue is, in fact, really excellent and I?d like to see him and the band play it straight for a tour and pick the best songs and just rip through ?em, even if it means skipping the covers or even switching up the set lists all that much from show to show.
Way to put my thoughts down on paper… I guess that's why they pay you the big bucks. I saw you rockin' the Buccos cap on Friday night.
sorry I'm late to the party, but Malkmus was boring. C minus?
Vas wrote:
This article says that the "band recently parted company with their bass player Neil Busch due to "severe health problems" so I guess it's a better way of saying it was due to drug problems.
http://www.drownedinsound.com/news/10236-trail-o-dead–lp-delayed-neil-leavesggw wrote:
They went downhill after kicking Neil Busch out of the band. Every band needs a drug-addled member to keep the creative tension fresh.
Well being this was my first …AYWKUBTTOTD show…they f'n rocked hard. Was really a fun show. My ears are still ringing a bit. The did Source Tags & Codes from start to finish first then ran through a bunch of other tunes that kept the crowd going berserk.
Had pretty much the entire audience up on stage for the last song, somewhat hokey but at the same time, I really like when a band says FU to the line between the stage and audience
the 'new' bassist (been with them for 10 years now) rocked hard and even did some crowd surfing whilst still rocking the bottom end
Also the RnR hotel moved the ticket booth….so there is a lot more room in the back…so that helps a little, just a little. Sound was tight thou
their bassist is new-ish…..joined the band in 2011 (I know this cause I was reading wiki yesterday heh)
they sounded great,..was great to hear "Baudelaire" live.
they sounded great,..was great to hear "Baudelaire" live.