Post Show Banter >>>>

really?  fascinating!  do, tell.
K8teebug wrote:
Unsanity wrote:
I was at the Black Cat show and the NIN/QOTSA show. The Black Cat one was intense! Uncut opened the show up..I wonder whatever happened to that band. I briefly talked to Jesse Keeler while at DC101 and he said he loved the Black Cat when he played there with Arcade Fire. I guess that show was in 2004 when I did not know either band haha. Did anyone here go to that show?


I went to both the 2004 Arcade Fire show and the 2005 NIN show! They were both good. I don't like the Arcade Fire anymore though. And we met them at St. Ex beforehand and they were jerks.


I need to hear more about this one.
Centro-matic's set last night was great, shame they're calling it a day.
bearman wrote:
K8teebug wrote:
Unsanity wrote:
I was at the Black Cat show and the NIN/QOTSA show. The Black Cat one was intense! Uncut opened the show up..I wonder whatever happened to that band. I briefly talked to Jesse Keeler while at DC101 and he said he loved the Black Cat when he played there with Arcade Fire. I guess that show was in 2004 when I did not know either band haha. Did anyone here go to that show?


I went to both the 2004 Arcade Fire show and the 2005 NIN show! They were both good. I don't like the Arcade Fire anymore though. And we met them at St. Ex beforehand and they were jerks.


About Arcade Fire being jerks?

I need to hear more about this one.
K8teebug wrote:


About Arcade Fire being jerks?



YES!
For jerky bands that I've met, I'd say my most negative experiences were Andy Fletcher from Depeche Mode and Luscious Jackson (I've never met such a bunch of snobby, entitled, nasty group of people…thank God I've never given them a dime of my money). Andy was just pompous. I've had at least 3 run-ins with Billy Corgan and he is no peach either. First two times he was nasty as hell. Third time he was out of his element (at a hockey game) and was way nicer.

bearman wrote:
K8teebug wrote:


About Arcade Fire being jerks?



YES!


I was super super excited to see them at the 930. I was really into Funeral, and loved it. We went to Cafe St. Ex before the show for dinner. It was crazy icy out that night (although that is not relevant). They seated us downstairs, and the only other people down there were Arcade Fire. After we were all finished eating/drinking, we all got up at the same time, because, we were all going to the same place. I went up to Win and just said that I was really looking forward to the show and I loved the album, and he was just a total asshole about it. No thank you, or anything. Like I was bothering him by thanking him for writing a good album.

His brother was really nice though. But Win and Regine were not nice and snobby.  But, oh well. That's why I don't normally talk with bands, I guess. I have just not been that into them since then. They just seemed like they thought they were "so important".

That's really sad about Andy from Depeche Mode. I love Depeche Mode.
Luscious Jackson berated me from the stage of the old 930… all because I yelled "Richmond sucks!"
K8teebug wrote:
That's really sad about Andy from Depeche Mode. I love Depeche Mode.


Everybody has a crummy day and I'm very forgiving about that. Andy Fletcher may have been having one. I was glad that I encountered Billy Corgan at least once when he seemed happy. I'm sure that everyone can have their off moments.

I once ran into Isobel and Stuart Murdoch from Belle and Sebastian on the street. I had NO idea they were a couple…I was perfectly nice, told them I loved their music, and gave them some directions before sending them on their way. Later on I heard about all the drama they were having on their tour and that dates were cancelled because of Isobel. I probably interrupted a moment when they needed alone time, but they were totally cool.

Luscious Jackson were at a meet and greet, which is why their crappiness was even more out of place. If I just happen to meet someone, I try to be forgiving about their demeanor if it seems "off". Usually people are reserved or kind. Some people act like they're your best friend. Joe Strummer did that with my sister…he bought her a drink. The Chemical Brothers invited me and friend backstage like we were invited over to their house for drinks. Dennis Danell from Social Distortion was one of the nicest, most welcoming people I've ever met…I interviewed him by phone and he told me to come find him at their show. I figured he wouldn't have a clue who I was but he invited me on the band's tour bus and they signed stuff for me. The reality is most bands know without their fans, they wouldn't have careers. I've heard that the Arcade Fire peeps are a bit of a handful. That story doesn't shock me.  
bearman wrote:
For jerky bands that I've met, I'd say my most negative experiences were Andy Fletcher from Depeche Mode and Luscious Jackson (I've never met such a bunch of snobby, entitled, nasty group of people…thank God I've never given them a dime of my money). Andy was just pompous. I've had at least 3 run-ins with Billy Corgan and he is no peach either. First two times he was nasty as hell. Third time he was out of his element (at a hockey game) and was way nicer.




This made me laugh earlier today. https://twitter.com/mariasherm/status/542305469550067712
I would love to spend the day talking fuzz pedals, cats, and pro-wrestling with Billy.
Rogue wrote:
I would love to spend the day talking fuzz pedals, cats, and pro-wrestling with Billy.
I think he sold his wrestling thing.
That does not mean he is not still a fan.
Rogue wrote:
That does not mean he is not still a fan.
Oh, I know, I was just sayin'.
Rogue wrote:
I would love to spend the day talking fuzz pedals, cats, and pro-wrestling with Billy.

Did you listen to that Damian Abraham/Meredith Graves podcast from last week? She's apparently also a wrestling fan.
Also, he was not an owner.  He was their "creative director", I believe.  He was just helping with stories.
His explanation of his exit, if you didn't read it before:
Wrestling. Resistance Pro. Let?s start here: I was asked the other day, ?do you worry about what people will think because you are involved with BLANK? (Blank being pro wrestling, synthesizer music, or CHARITY animal shelter magazines).

Answer: NO. Because if those things make someone dislike my musical life/output then they are marks FOR THEMSELVES.
Answer: I am not here to serve anyone but G-O-D. (Happiness being but one way by which ?to serve?)

Love abounds, always. So let me say for those of you that don?t know those in my life, I love them all. And if you don?t know Jacques and Gabriel Baron, you should. Family men. Love their kith and kin. Beautiful children. And my brothers through and through.

Around Resistance Pro Wrestling Jacques would always say to the roster, ?we are family?; and I believed that. Still do.

But there?s a time where you might split too from the family home because you disagree with what?s going on. Just as I did when I was kid from my own. And you don?t always have to know ?why? or even define what it is that?s bugging you out. You just know something?s amiss.

It?s hard leaving, I?ll admit. For I put more into the company than I should have, so strong was my belief. And perhaps that blinded me. But I am forever grateful for the opportunity to lead, to share, to execute a vision which it would be easy to argue was not successful where it mattered most: at the gate. Yet my focus was to build a futuristic promotion that could run on every level in the 21st century. And that got us as far as a contract with the vaunted AMC Network.

All things come with a cost, and the cost of that commitment was watching a decently balanced company with a dream devolve into something I considered beneath my place in the world. For it isn?t wise to make someone like me the foil when the upside is so unseen, and small, and counter-intuitive to that future as planned. And it wasn?t like this disintegration wasn?t transparent, for there were cameras everywhere.

So when the show was cast into purgatory by AMC?s decision to cut the majority of their unscripted (nice word for reality) programming, many (and I heard this) felt relief, while others celebrated as if it was any other day in the life of a circus; our greatest opportunity possibly squandered with the stroke of a pen.

Personally, I didn?t see much accountability on the part of those who?d fallen off the company mantra, and I found this puzzling. And so began an investigation as to those ?whys and wherefores.?

Some suggested that there were other intentions afoot, which may or may not have involved my being used, or worked, or manipulated to create short-sighted opportunities for the company even should those efforts harm me in a number of ways; with the biggest victim, beside my ?name? being so readily used and abused, a diminishing enthusiasm. But still, this made no sense; for why would anyone want me out of the company when all I?d ever been told was how welcome I was? Or even the simple idea that my presence opened doors that wouldn?t have been otherwise opened?

Make no mistake, I?ve committed a tremendous amount of time to R Pro and the advancement of the roster in particular. For we had a lot of talent under the roof; all of which deserve a call and more open explanation from me than I?d offer here. So don?t let anyone tell you I wasn?t in all the way.

And the additive of what I heard, saw, learned was that my partners didn?t have my back in the way I thought they should; and by extension, were working against what I saw as their once-in-a lifetime lottery ticket for success in television. BUT: not everyone wants to win the lottery.

What?s this really mean? That the company will soldier on without me. Perhaps they?ll thrive, or survive? I hope they do. And the best thing I hope for is that The Baron?s as a family get out of their promotion what they think is best. It?s clear to me now that?s probably what they wanted all along.

Remember, I was never an owner in any capacity. This was by my suggestion. Even though under various circumstances and guises it was offered. I simply headed up the creative focus in story-lines and in some cases developed characters.

But wait, there?s a swerve! The tv show is still being shopped, with 4 shows in the can. AMC having given their assistance with the possibility that what?s there can be picked up by an interested network. And I for one believe that the show AS CONCEIVED would draw fantastic ratings. Should that happen, I?d deal with how to pick up from where it all left off: by telling the story of these various implosions from those who lived it, and who?d carry on as well. And that, my friends, IS wrestling?.

As an executive producer, would I include R Pro management in that? That?d depend. But the trust where it?s needed (in business) is long gone.

How about anyone from the roster? Absolutely. Whether or not it?s this as-yet-unfinished TV show, or a new version of it, or the new promotion I?d start forthwith, I believe-believe-believe in the talent of that roster. And as anybody who is in wrestling knows, there are some incredible souls out there who deserve a different kind of shot, and I aim to be one of those people building to something different for that exact purpose.

For as with someone like me, the business often overlooks talent in seeking the obvious. See every pop-singer-blah blah show for evidence of that.

So, to be clear: I left because Resistance Pro was no longer the company I thought I?d helped build from the ground up. And maybe, one might say, it never was?

The shows, the fans, the wrestling injuries, the heartaches, those I know were all real. The rest, I couldn?t say. Time will tell who?s friend or foe, and who thought me another easy touch.

Last thing: don?t let anyone tell you wrestling?s fake. The world is no more real.

W.P.C.
tl;dr. Cliff notes?  :D
Cliff notes…

Something about a TV deal.

Everyone is still family.
The Smashing Pumpkins make great music.  Foo Fighters and Pearl Jam are creatively bankrupt.  What did Billy get wrong?