Post Show Banter >>>>

What did he say that was wrong? Pearl Jam is highly derivative of Nirvana. The Foo Fighters have basically written one song and repeated it two hundred times.  ::)

Rogue wrote:
The Smashing Pumpkins make great music. 

Yeah…and Ace Frehley is a guitar god…

It was a killer interview by a person who actually plays music in a band, being judged by a bunch of people on a computer who never have.  Competition, is everything.

PJ is to Nirvana as Billy Corgan is to My Bloody Valentine. Just sayin.

azaghal1981 wrote:
PJ is to Nirvana as Billy Corgan is to My Bloody Valentine. Just sayin.

For a while, Smashing Pumpkins were a great band. But Billy Corgan is entering into the territory of the absurd by calling himself Smashing Pumpkins when the reality is that it's the Billy Corgan Experience. "Gish" was a solid debut. "Siamese Dream" was pretty amazing and if they had stopped there, they would have been labeled one of the best bands of the 90's. "Mellon Collie" had some pretty beautiful stuff on it, and if they just did one LP, again…they'd be legendary. The biggest issues with the Pumpkins were the drama surrounding their fracture (I saw them right before Jonathan Melvoin died, and it was an AWFUL performance) and then there's Billy Corgan's fat mouth. When you demand being labeled a genius, nobody is going to give you that honor. The only way Corgan could have gotten that is if he was the one that od'ed in 1996.

bearman wrote:

azaghal1981 wrote:
PJ is to Nirvana as Billy Corgan is to My Bloody Valentine. Just sayin.

For a while, Smashing Pumpkins were a great band. But Billy Corgan is entering into the territory of the absurd by calling himself Smashing Pumpkins when the reality is that it's the Billy Corgan Experience. "Gish" was a solid debut. "Siamese Dream" was pretty amazing and if they had stopped there, they would have been labeled one of the best bands of the 90's. "Mellon Collie" had some pretty beautiful stuff on it, and if they just did one LP, again…they'd be legendary. The biggest issues with the Pumpkins were the drama surrounding their fracture (I saw them right before Jonathan Melvoin died, and it was an AWFUL performance) and then there's Billy Corgan's fat mouth. When you demand being labeled a genius, nobody is going to give you that honor. The only way Corgan could have gotten that is if he was the one that od'ed in 1996.

A+

Yada wrote:
A+

Thanks…I say that as a Pumpkins fan, or at least I used to be. I've only seen the original 4. I've watched video of them in other incarnations, and I don't mind some of it. For a while it was fun to be a Pumpkins fan. Then it started to become tedious. I saw Nirvana and the Pumpkins a week apart. The Nirvana show was a shitshow of angst, catharsis, moshing and injuries. The Pumpkins show felt more like a huge sweaty birthday party. Then the kid in honor, the one with the fat mouth and bald head, threw a fit towards the end and left the stage. They came back and he tried to play it off like he was kidding, but at that point the vibe was kinda ruined. Welcome to what it's like being a Smashing Pumpkins fan. Kurt Cobain on the other hand concluded his show by throwing his guitar into the air to smash the disco ball over the stage. And that sort of says a lot metaphorically.

bearman wrote:

azaghal1981 wrote:
PJ is to Nirvana as Billy Corgan is to My Bloody Valentine. Just sayin.

For a while, Smashing Pumpkins were a great band. But Billy Corgan is entering into the territory of the absurd by calling himself Smashing Pumpkins when the reality is that it's the Billy Corgan Experience. "Gish" was a solid debut. "Siamese Dream" was pretty amazing and if they had stopped there, they would have been labeled one of the best bands of the 90's. "Mellon Collie" had some pretty beautiful stuff on it, and if they just did one LP, again…they'd be legendary. The biggest issues with the Pumpkins were the drama surrounding their fracture (I saw them right before Jonathan Melvoin died, and it was an AWFUL performance) and then there's Billy Corgan's fat mouth. When you demand being labeled a genius, nobody is going to give you that honor. The only way Corgan could have gotten that is if he was the one that od'ed in 1996.

Corgan doesn't understand how to function in society or with others in general, that's the most obvious thing ever.

I don't get the butthurt so many people feel about him calling the current band "The Smashing Pumpkins." I really don't. Robert Smith does the same thing with The Cure. And in this day and age, you know what you're getting. You know it's Billy Corgan and a bunch of hired guns. If the ticket said "Billy Corgan" and it was the same band playing the same setlists, I think most people who liked classic SP would find it a great night, but there's this insane fringe of weirdos who REFUSE to like it literally because of what name is printed on the ticket, which is intellectually weak.

I've seen SP several times since 2007 and don't have any real interest in making any effort to see them again soon. (Haven't gotten Monuments and don't know if I will.) But the whole "this isn't Smashing Pumpkins" argument is just stupid.

Julian, wrote:
Robert Smith does the same thing with The Cure. And in this day and age, you know what you're getting. You know it's Billy Corgan and a bunch of hired guns. If the ticket said "Billy Corgan" and it was the same band playing the same setlists, I think most people who liked classic SP would find it a great night, but there's this insane fringe of weirdos who REFUSE to like it literally because of what name is printed on the ticket, which is intellectually weak.

I think that people downplay the importance of James Iha, D'arcy and Jimmy Chamberlain. THAT is why it's odd to keep calling themselves Smashing Pumpkins. It's not butthurt. Though I think that's an awesome term. Nice work.

As for the Cure, Simon Gallup (the Cure's secret weapon) has been present for nearly 33 years in that band. If you see the Cure live, his bass is up front…I'd rank him a notch or two below Peter Hook in terms of iconic basslines. "Just Like Heaven" wouldn't be the same. "The Figurehead" is all about Gallup's bass. I don't think the Cure is a fair comparison for that reason.

Before they were big stars I saw Smashing Pumpkins at a crummy club in Richmond.  It was a Monday night and on Mondays this club had free show with no admission.  We would go every week to see free bands and drink.  SP totally crushed the place.  They played "Terrapin" by Syd Barrett and James Iha sang it.  Afterwards I was at the bar and James and what's her name were at the bar, and I said something about Terrapin and got iced so hard by both of them.  Total assholes.  And it was a free monday night show so that should tell you they were total nobodies at the time.

Unrelated but just came into my mind…at the same club right around the same time I saw Firehose on the Flying the Flannel tour.  I passed by Mike Watt walking through the club .  I was wearing a flannel shirt and he said "Hey man nice flannel!" 

I've always thought Corgan was 80% of the talent in that band with Chamberlain 18% and Iha 2%. Iha brought nothing to the table (outside of aesthetics) that Schroeder doesn't. Chamberlain is a real loss and none of the shows I saw after his departure could touch the early-"reunion" ones, which is alot of my reason I don't see them anymore.

Let's refer to my earlier post.

What a tool.

chaz wrote:
Before they were big stars I saw Smashing Pumpkins at a crummy club in Richmond.  It was a Monday night and on Mondays this club had free show with no admission.  We would go every week to see free bands and drink.  SP totally crushed the place.  They played "Terrapin" by Syd Barrett and James Iha sang it.  Afterwards I was at the bar and James and what's her name were at the bar, and I said something about Terrapin and got iced so hard by both of them.  Total assholes.  And it was a free monday night show so that should tell you they were total nobodies at the time.

Unrelated but just came into my mind…at the same club right around the same time I saw Firehose on the Flying the Flannel tour.  I passed by Mike Watt walking through the club .  I was wearing a flannel shirt and he said "Hey man nice flannel!" 

You saw this show. I know the guy who was running Twisters then (now Strange Matter) and he concurred that the band killed it but were complete dicks aside from Jimmy.

Terrapin was a common cover around that time.

Julian, wrote:

chaz wrote:
Before they were big stars I saw Smashing Pumpkins at a crummy club in Richmond.  It was a Monday night and on Mondays this club had free show with no admission.  We would go every week to see free bands and drink.  SP totally crushed the place.  They played "Terrapin" by Syd Barrett and James Iha sang it.  Afterwards I was at the bar and James and what's her name were at the bar, and I said something about Terrapin and got iced so hard by both of them.  Total assholes.  And it was a free monday night show so that should tell you they were total nobodies at the time.

Unrelated but just came into my mind…at the same club right around the same time I saw Firehose on the Flying the Flannel tour.  I passed by Mike Watt walking through the club .  I was wearing a flannel shirt and he said "Hey man nice flannel!" 

You saw this show. I know the guy who was running Twisters then (now Strange Matter) and he concurred that the band killed it but were complete dicks aside from Jimmy.

Terrapin was a common cover around that time.

What was that guys name?  Mark something was it?  He did sound and booked bands.  My band played there all the time back then.  Then he left and Steve Douglas took over.

chaz wrote:

Julian, wrote:

chaz wrote:
Before they were big stars I saw Smashing Pumpkins at a crummy club in Richmond.  It was a Monday night and on Mondays this club had free show with no admission.  We would go every week to see free bands and drink.  SP totally crushed the place.  They played "Terrapin" by Syd Barrett and James Iha sang it.  Afterwards I was at the bar and James and what's her name were at the bar, and I said something about Terrapin and got iced so hard by both of them.  Total assholes.  And it was a free monday night show so that should tell you they were total nobodies at the time.

Unrelated but just came into my mind…at the same club right around the same time I saw Firehose on the Flying the Flannel tour.  I passed by Mike Watt walking through the club .  I was wearing a flannel shirt and he said "Hey man nice flannel!" 

You saw this show. I know the guy who was running Twisters then (now Strange Matter) and he concurred that the band killed it but were complete dicks aside from Jimmy.

Terrapin was a common cover around that time.

What was that guys name?  Mark something was it?  He did sound and booked bands.  My band played there all the time back then.  Then he left and Steve Douglas took over.

Mac McCormack. He owns a bunch of bars around RVA now. He doesn't have anything to do with live music anymore.

All you need is Billy.

Iha is a guitar god!

Wonderfully epic DSO recreation last Friday night.  Just what the doctor ordered.  Speaking of which-any word on the person who hit their head upstairs and had to be boarded out?

Bagley wrote:
Wonderfully epic DSO recreation last Friday night.  Just what the doctor ordered.  Speaking of which-any word on the person who hit their head upstairs and had to be boarded out?

I admittedly was quite blown away by that performance.

Have you listened to any of the JRAD shows? I was hoping they'd play down here, but after seeing DSO, those guys are probably better.

Your first DSO experience?  Can't closer to the real thing.  Some shows are actually played better than the original.

No, no Russo for me as yet.