The 2020 thread....

sweetcell wrote:

hutch wrote:
Apparently Gardner is going down in CO and Mcsally is going to lose in AZ

Dems need +3, assuming Biden wins, and those two represent winnable seats.  obvs it would be nice to get some padding on that and have more than a 1-vote majority, but i'll take whatever we can get

Gardner losing is a done deal. Also need to factor in Dems will definitely lose Doug Jones seat in AL.

Not sure what to read out of this…

PA Primary
Biden - 600k~ votes
Trump - 800k~ votes

There were a lot of house primaries, but lots of them unopposed too?

for ref…6,000,000~ voted in 2016 and DT 'won' by 40k~

Bunker wrote:
Not sure what to read out of this…

PA Primary
Biden - 600k~ votes
Trump - 800k~ votes

There were a lot of house primaries, but lots of them unopposed too?

for ref…6,000,000~ voted in 2016 and DT 'won' by 40k~

Enthusiasm gap is real.

gavroche wrote:

Bunker wrote:
Not sure what to read out of this…

Enthusiasm gap is real.

Ok other than this fantasy that another candidate will be picked
What is the solution

Unlike any other election in my lifetime
This VP pick seems pretty critical
Conceivably could be some one who might need to take over before 2024

Tosh

My wife thinks Joe Rogen should be president. Is it conceivable Biden would pick him at VEEP? Oh wait, Joe Rogen said he's vote for Trump over Biden. Never mind.

Space wrote:
My wife thinks Joe Rogen should be president.

This is simultaneously the most shocking and least shocking thing ever.

fuck Joe Rogan.

hutch wrote:
Tosh

Peter Tosh - I think he's dead, but would really get the black AND white male stoner college voter
Tosh 2.0 - good pick for the youth, but I'd say pretty questionable morals

As a word, this is new to me…so maybe what you were going for

tosh /täSH/
nouninformal•British
noun: tosh

    rubbish; nonsense.
    "it's sentimental tosh"

Bunker wrote:

gavroche wrote:

Bunker wrote:
Not sure what to read out of this…

Enthusiasm gap is real.

Ok other than this fantasy that another candidate will be picked
What is the solution

Unlike any other election in my lifetime
This VP pick seems pretty critical
Conceivably could be some one who might need to take over before 2024

The calculus is that the election is a referendom on Trump and that there is enthusiasm for voting against him. The Dems have chosen their strategy and I don't expect things like the VP candidate will matter. 

Biden popping up and showing proof of life from time to time will probably help a bit as well.

Biden is going to annihilate him


Trump just spent millions on ads in Ohio


Think about it

I get it..Gavroche didn’t want Biden and that’s fine


Not going to matter who he picks for VP as long as it’s Kamala Harris

hutch wrote:
Not going to matter who he picks for VP as long as it’s Kamala Harris

I will say she isn't getting a lot of thumbs up from the black community from her prior work as CA's AG
but maybe that's bots/Russia trying to create chaos

It doesn’t matter who he picks


That’s the reality

hutch wrote:
Biden is going to annihilate him


Trump just spent millions on ads in Ohio


Think about it

I get it..Gavroche didn’t want Biden and that’s fine


Not going to matter who he picks for VP as long as it’s Kamala Harris

I hope you are right about Biden winning in a landslide. I feel confident that Biden will win the popular vote, but I don't feel confident about the electoral college (and I'd feel the same way regardless of who the Dem candidate is).  And that's not even getting into whether Trump would actually step down if he lost.

Do you not agree that there is an enthusiasm gap? The polls show one (even as Biden is leading). https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/may-25-28-2020-washington-post-abc-news-poll/bb30c35e-797e-4b5c-91fc-1a1cdfbe85cc/?itid=lk_inline_manual_3&itid=lk_inline_manual_6

Or is it your contention that somehow the VP pick can change that?  In that case, doesn't Warren do the best: https://morningconsult.com/2020/05/27/biden-warren-vice-president-poll/

Biden has been pretty invisible recently, and that seems as much a strategic choice as a practical one.  Even the fact that the Dems are likely not going to have a convention, suggests that's strategic as well. 

Do you not think that the Dems are going with the strategy of not rocking the boat and having this be a referendum on 4 years of Trump?

hutch wrote:
It doesn’t matter who he picks


That’s the reality

I think that's generally right, but I think Klobuchar would cause him problems.

Normally I feel the VP pick doesn't help much.  I think it's key that it doesn't hurt

I think Tim Kaine didn't hurt nor help…so was a stupid pick IMO
Guy is my senator and I don't know 2 things about him he didn't deliver VA or anything else (maybe I'm wrong on this?)


They say the first 'presidential act' is picking a VP and you get judged by that

I think since Joe will be the oldest elected president the US has ever had AND we are in a pandemic that overwhelmingly kills people in their 70s-80s I do think that a VP pick is someone who will have a very high chance of becoming president before 2024, so people should care. 

With all that said…we should wait, no need to rush this pick

gavroche wrote:
Biden has been pretty invisible recently, and that seems as much a strategic choice as a practical one.  Even the fact that the Dems are likely not going to have a convention, does too. 

Do you not think that the Dems are going with the strategy of not rocking the boat and having this be a referendum on 4 years of Trump?

I think it is smart to continue to let Donnie put his foot in his mouth and do stupid things
So I don't think this is a bad strategy with 153 more days from the election
I think it would be stupid in Aug/Sept, but right now I think it works

I think if you're looking for someone who can step right in and do the job who comes from a similar ideological perspective, then Amy is your girl. If you're looking for someone who might inspire more voters to come out, Stacey might be your girl.

Of course that's assuming you're limiting yourself to girls, which Sleepy has already boxed himself into doing.

Space wrote:
I think if you're looking for someone who can step right in and do the job who comes from a similar ideological perspective, then Amy is your girl. If you're looking for someone who might inspire more voters to come out, Stacey might be your girl.

Of course that's assuming you're limiting yourself to girls, which Sleepy has already boxed himself into doing.

Every poll of young and/or black voters say they want Warren as VP. Every one.

Space wrote:

Of course that's assuming you're limiting yourself to girls, which Sleepy has already boxed himself into doing.

Women?

Julian, wrote:

Space wrote:
I think if you're looking for someone who can step right in and do the job who comes from a similar ideological perspective, then Amy is your girl. If you're looking for someone who might inspire more voters to come out, Stacey might be your girl.

Of course that's assuming you're limiting yourself to girls, which Sleepy has already boxed himself into doing.

Every poll of young and/or black voters say they want Warren as VP. Every one.

How does Pocohantas poll with Native-Americans?

Julian, wrote:

Space wrote:
I think if you're looking for someone who can step right in and do the job who comes from a similar ideological perspective, then Amy is your girl. If you're looking for someone who might inspire more voters to come out, Stacey might be your girl.

Of course that's assuming you're limiting yourself to girls, which Sleepy has already boxed himself into doing.

Every poll of young and/or black voters say they want Warren as VP. Every one.

Please post links to these polls because I can't find any. She's always struck me as the favorite of the pink pussy hat crowd by not necessarily African-Americans.