The 2020 thread....

hutch wrote:
Eagles fan?

I think that’s not a reveal but a joke

There is no doubt the VP should be a African American woman in her early 50s

I will be surprised if there isn’t something agreed with Kamala

well he is also trying to get the Penn vote …but I'd go with the Steelers then
and yes Kamala should be his pick, although she really should be our next AG

Reminds me of this gem from a recent Emerson poll: https://twitter.com/eldon_katz/status/1207574401522135040

Avg % of each of the top 4 candidates' supporters who'll back Trump against one of the other 3

Buttigieg supporters 12%
Warren supporters 10%
Biden supporters 9%
Sanders supporters 4%

Fucking Buttigieg Bros…

vansmack wrote:
https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/1217864280126775297


Matt Pearce 🦅
@mattdpearce
Hard to overstate how unpredictable talking to voters can be: Melissa from Algona, Iowa, caucused for Bernie in 2016, then voted for a Trump; she supports Medicare for All but supports Buttigieg, but will likely vote for Trump again if Buttigieg doesn’t win the Dem nomination.

vansmack wrote:
Matt Pearce 🦅
@mattdpearce
Hard to overstate how unpredictable talking to voters can be: Melissa from Algona, Iowa, caucused for Bernie in 2016, then voted for a Trump; she supports Medicare for All but supports Buttigieg, but will likely vote for Trump again if Buttigieg doesn’t win the Dem nomination.

Melissa from Algona needs to get a hold of her life. Jesus.

The guy was born in Scranton, moved to DE before he was a teenager and is the most recognizable man in the state.

How could he not be an Eagles fan?

nkotb wrote:
Fucking Buttigieg Bros…

Yeah, those guys….

nkotb wrote:I'm probably 85% certain I'll vote for whoever wins the nomination

Considering 12% is more than 4%, I'll say yeah…those guys

vansmack wrote:
Yeah, those guys….

Anyone who is not 100% behind the nomination over Trump is "Those guys!"

Agreed that its 3x the fault of Buttigieg supports

Hey bernie bros….the Don's got your back!

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
They are rigging the election again against Bernie Sanders, just like last time, only even more obviously. They are bringing him out of so important Iowa in order that, as a Senator, he sit through the Impeachment Hoax Trial. Crazy Nancy thereby gives the strong edge to Sleepy…….Joe Biden, and Bernie is shut out again. Very unfair, but that’s the way the Democrats play the game. Anyway, it’s a lot of fun to watch!


So let me get this straight, the DNC planed to have the Trump do some crimey things, that we found out in Sept, then did the inquiry and timed it perfectly to make sure that Bernie couldn't campaign in Iowa
Dang the DNC is soo crafty, shame they can't use those smarts to win elections

I'm wrote:
Grr…FL supreme court is making it hard for my friends…the felons, vote

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/478620-florida-supreme-court-rules-convicted-felons-must-pay-fines-fees-before

gotta pay the man, before voting
seems poll-taxy to me.

Maybe some wealthy dem will just pay all their tabs…not holding my breath

Hey man…don't steal my idea with out giving me credit!
Robert Reich@RBReich
What if — and hear me out here — Bloomberg and Steyer used the $220 million+ they’re spending on TV ads to pay off the fines and fees now keeping hundreds of thousands of Floridians from the polls in 2020?

I had not seen this before

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds?fbclid=IwAR3M9hbi2a6aC7atJmxp9nAKUE8AqSeAwSrJs320m6tVZLRFNVsSaiuShDQ

As someone that did vote for HRC over Trump (I'm not fully insane, gang) I do think they number stinks.  But you have to ask how that compares to past elections.  This was pretty eye opening though i think that for anyone that blames Bernie for Trumps victory it wont move the needle:

"Moreover, defections from a primary to general election are common. More voters went from Hillary Clinton to John McCain in 2008 than went from Sanders to Trump in 2016; about 13 percent of Trump’s 2016 voters also voted for Barack Obama in 2012."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/24/16194086/bernie-trump-voters-study

hutch wrote:
I had not seen this before

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds?fbclid=IwAR3M9hbi2a6aC7atJmxp9nAKUE8AqSeAwSrJs320m6tVZLRFNVsSaiuShDQ

NYT with 2 endorsements?  but nice they are giving Klobuchar much needed bump of attention


The board identified Klobuchar, who has struggled to break out and join the top tier of candidates, as “a standard-bearer for the Democratic center” and reasoned that “the best chance to enact progressive plans could be under a Klobuchar administration.” It said Klobuchar would be a deal maker who could unite the liberal and moderate wings of the party — and possibly bring the entire country together.

“t’s far too early to count Ms. Klobuchar out,” the board said. “Senator John Kerry, the eventual Democrat nominee in 2004, was also polling in the single digits at this point in the race.”

dissed Biden pretty hard
The board dismissed former Vice President Joe Biden’s lead in national polls as “a measure of familiarity as much as voter intention,” arguing that “merely restoring the status quo will not get America where it needs to go as a society” and insisted he pass the torch to a new generation of leaders.

Endorsing both Warren and Klobuchar, who I would argue have pretty diametrically opposed platforms, is so peak 2020 it's breathtaking.

For the life of me, I really can't understand why the media is trying to make Klobuchar happen.  What about her has these people so desperate to see her rise in the polls?

Maybe the fact neither Bernie nor Warren has a prayer and four more years of Trump could be the end of a free media?

I don’t know…just spitballing here

Aside from the fact that you're wrong…what does she have that Biden or Mayor Pete don't?  I think Pete is an absolute disaster, but he's polling way higher than Klobuchar is.  And Biden has the polling numbers already.

I'm genuinely curious!  I've seen a lot of articles or talk before each debate that it's Amy's time to shine and it never happens, or articles begging voters to take a second look.  What are they seeing that the voters aren't?  And if their goal and belief is to stop Bernie/Warren (let's say), why not go with someone (like Biden or Pete) that actually have support?

hutch wrote:
Maybe the fact neither Bernie nor Warren has a prayer and four more years of Trump could be the end of a free media?

I don’t know…just spitballing here

nkotb wrote:
Aside from the fact that you're wrong…what does she have that Biden or Mayor Pete don't? 

I'd say the biggest thing Amy doesn't have is $$$$

2020 Ad spending #s

Bloomberg: $235,543,844
Steyer: $149,727,295
Trump: $41,150,887
Buttigieg: $26,059,413
Sanders: $24,614,920
Warren: $15,774,869
Yang: $11,278,501
Biden: $9,118,760
Klobuchar: $6,875,507
Gabbard: $3,716,312
Bennet: $1,576,251

That's kind of what I mean…I'd argue that ad spending is directly related to money raised (duh, except for billionaire dipshits like Bloomberg and Steyer), and money raised is directly tied to support, right?  So if she's not raising money…and Pete/Biden are, why try to boost her?

Well she is not bordering on senility or is running on the experience of being in charge of a little village? I would say that’s something

LOL yeah, I guess that's a good call.  I do find her infinitely more palatable than Pete. Just seems like they're trying to make fetch happen here.