The 2020 thread....

Not to mention what sidehatch refuses to accept: Hillary was leading until James Comey interfered


Some people just can’t accept that


The polls weren’t actually very wrong if at all but some people just want to believe what they want to believe




Why did Hillary go speak in Michigan or close her campaign in Pennsylvania? Cause they knew…they had the polls

Of course one shouldn’t walk around telling people it’s in the bag don’t bother to vote….everyone should vote..duh


But I would argue the situation is only improving for Biden with the spike in covid in FL and AZ…

Add that spike to what happened in MI and PA - key electoral states-from covid and I really think the outlook for Trump is pretty dire

hutch wrote:
Not to mention what sidehatch refuses to accept: Hillary was leading until James Comey interfered

can confirm

Julian, wrote:I think one of the important distinctions is polling of likely voters shows over 50+% very likely voting for Biden

didn't smakie post an Economist article that Dems pretty much have to get 53-54% of the popular vote to win the Electoral college

I don't know how the GOP can look at you with a straight face and say that is a fair election

They don’t! They look at you with a straight face and tell you it’s rigged against them!

heretofore-hatch wrote:

Julian, wrote:I think one of the important distinctions is polling of likely voters shows over 50+% very likely voting for Biden

didn't smakie post an Economist article that Dems pretty much have to get 53-54% of the popular vote to win the Electoral college

If he did, then either The Economist is wrong or you are missing some nuance. Hillary was 100,000 votes away from an electoral win and only garnered 48.x% of the popular vote. 53% might be some figure that guarantees it when you normalize for states but anyone telling you there is no path for Biden to win electoral college with a mere 51-49% popular vote lead is wrong. The demographics (especially in suburbs) have changed in 3.5 years.

Julian, wrote:
If he did, then either The Economist is wrong or you are missing some nuance.

Both those seem likely candidates

Ugh..I have to go with candidate b

Is it wrong for me to get joy out of the stories coming from this twitter account
Republican Voters Against Trump @RVAT2020

Side-Nue!antz wrote:
I'm a little shocked that Trumps approval rating avg on 538 is still in the 40s

He was in the 36-37 around the Comey firing in May 2017
He was around 39 during the gov't shutdown

I know it's unlikely that he'll go below 35 even if he shoots someone on 5th ave
I would have thought it would have been lower considering the last 4 weeks/4 months

He does look like he's getting it where it hurts in the swing states
Biden…has an average advantage of 3 points or greater in Arizona, Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin…which is all that really matters

Alas, nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people

sweetcell wrote:
‘We’re thinking landslide’: Beyond D.C., GOP officials see Trump on glide path to reelection
Conventional indicators suggest the president’s bid for a second term is in jeopardy. But state and local GOP officials see a different election unfolding.

Also, if you ask the top brass at the GOP "is trump going to win" for a news article that will appear in politico, of course, they are going to say "we are going to win in a landslide" and not have to back it up with actual facts

No matter what you do or how you look at it, 1/3 of America is and will always be crazy.

http://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/10/lunch-discussions-145-crazification.html

hutch wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/18/politics/americans-unhappy-polling-analysis/index.html

Julians America suffers no such morale issues. Stiff upper lip!

I've not seen verification of this as you know info on the interwebs is  not always true…

But word is that a bunch of k-pop fans were trolling a certain person's campaign and requested that large number of rally tickets that keeps getting touted.

If this is true kudos given..

<head explodes gif>

SCOTUS rules that Trump's rescission of DACA was  "arbitrary and capricious" because it failed to provide the necessary "reasoned judgment" for its decision and failed to address reliance interests

image that quite the temper tantrum is being thrown right now…

pretty sure which side or hatch is showing up later today :)

kosmo wrote:
pretty sure which side or hatch is showing up later today :)

Hmm…not sure why this bot has me tagged for abuse
but I came here to post the same news

I do like  "arbitrary and capricious"

Sometimes it appears John Roberts is the only thing keeping us from going over the cliff

Probably the best thing GWB did as president was appoint him…

I think Dan's response was classic

Dan Rather@DanRather
First LGBTQ rights and now DACA? I don’t think John Roberts is going to be invited to the White House Christmas party.

hutch wrote:
Sometimes it appears John Roberts is the only thing keeping us from going over the cliff

Probably the best thing GWB did as president was appoint him…

Lets not forget Citizen's United and Shelby County.  Roberts is the reason we have Trump.

No

The election was decided by less than 200,000 votes


There are MANY reasons we can choose

I go with deluded Sanders supporters who refused to vote for Hillary but YMMV

Or Comey

In such a close election there isn’t one reason

And citizens utd?


What’s your argument?

Hillary outspent Trump

hutch wrote:
And citizens utd?


What’s your argument?

Hillary outspent Trump

and Jeb had like 100mil in the bank and couldn't beat trump in the primries with that war chest…but to be fair he didn't have putin in his corner

I don't use this as justification for keeping CU, but shows how money isn't the only thing needed to win



to be clear, I think CU is a horrible